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    Quote Originally Posted by turnbuckle View Post
    I half ass learnt DDL not too long ago, but I've been playing for over forty years, and still fuck it up;



    I've pretty much forgotten what the hell I did, but it was kind of a bend/slide thingy.
    There's a ton of this stuff on the inter web, way better than my hackery here.

    It is possible to do pretty much anything with the right mindset. We all learn in different ways, and it's the desire to learn that makes the difference. Some noodle, some laser focus, just depends on the person.
    I appreciate you sharing your outlook; hearing from experienced players helps round out my understanding. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyBHarris View Post
    There are a lot of online free resources to learn from. Justin has some good stuff and is a pretty good teacher https://www.justinguitar.com/songs

    Guitar World has a lesson section, not bad, YMMV on the instructor https://www.guitarworld.com/lessons

    Carl Brown over at guitar365 is pretty good https://guitarlessons365.com/song-lessons/

    Marty Music (search for him on YouTube) he a is pretty good teacher

    As far as Van Halen songs go, there a few easier songs in the catalog (minus the solo, but you can work your way up to getting those):
    Ainít Talkin Bout love isnít to technical, even the solo on this one isnít complicated.
    You Really Got Me
    Ice Cream Man (minus the solo, itís pretty tough getting that signature Eddie stretch)
    Little Dreamer (the solo is a little tough, but not too bad)
    Runnin With the Devil
    Bottoms Up (minus the solos)
    You're No Good (the solo is a bit tough though - those rubber bandy bends he does a hard to perfect)
    Pretty Woman
    So This is Love (minus the solo - itís kinda difficult)
    316

    But with any song, get the main parts of the song down before you tackle the solo.

    Good Luck!
    Thanks Scotty, for the helpful links, and song suggestions...your advice is sure to help!

    Quote Originally Posted by jaybird View Post
    THIS.

    I had learned some basic stuff at an early age, then picked it up again about 6 or 7 years ago when my wife's uncle sent me a beautiful Epiphone Casino. Bought a used Roland Cube at a pawn shop, set it to Metal, hit a barre chord and I was hooked. Basically I just started playing along with my old favorites I grew up with (VH, Journey, Foreigner, Boston, etc.) on Pandora. I'll never get everything exactly right, but I can keep up.

    It's just the fact that I can somewhat play along to songs that I've loved over the years that keeps me happy. I'd love to be a technically better player, but scales and theory are not in the cards. So I'll just keep jamming along and having fun. One thing is, you DO get better the more you play. You figure stuff out and start hitting things a little quicker and sharper. It's fun when you have a breakthrough ("So THAT's how he did it"). YouTube helps if you want to get a certain song right. But don't think scales--just watch what they do and emulate it. You'll be painfully slow at first but you'll catch on quicker than you think.

    Just don't get frustrated. A lot of Ed's stuff is really different and hard to play (that's what makes him ED). Stay with it and you'll be fine.
    Thanks dude, for sharing your experience with me....it truly helps me frame my perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by Volumeto11 View Post
    As others have pointed out, you can have songs like Runnin' with the Devil, Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love, etc, in your repertoire pretty quick. The more technical stuff will take time... learning Eruption or Spanish Fly are probably a bit off in the future for you... not impossible, just difficult. A good chunk of the Sammy catalog is pretty accessible. For instance, if I was going to jump up and join a bar band for a song with no practice, "Top of the World" sounds great, but is actually pretty easy to play. Even the fills and solo aren't that complicated.

    Good luck, keep jamming, and let us know how you progress!
    Thanks for the suggestions and well wishes

    Quote Originally Posted by BREW CREW View Post
    1: learn chords
    2: learn scales
    3: learn every note on the fretboard.
    4: learn songs that you yearn to learn (even it's just a part of the song)
    5: record yourself playing. You'll hear things that you might want to improve on.
    6. Get anything online or in print from Wolf Marshall, Andy Aledort and Dave Brewster you can.
    7. YouTube is your friend with lessons (especially Brewster) cool name huh? Lol
    Thanks Brew

    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    DOA was always the easiest one to learn for me, and it instantly sounds killer.

    EVH is very tricky to learn.
    Even something that APPEARS simple, is difficult.
    Appreciate the help Japeape! And damn...are you ever right; I youtubed a few Sammy songs that I thought would be easy...(and as I type this out, I shake my head no!!!) - LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by marcin View Post
    When starting out play easy songs. But overall, as a rule, play what you want to play.

    Here is a cool quote:


    A typical guitar teachers instructions to a beginning student might be something like:

    "You should practice this chromatic scale every day for like 20 minutes, and then once you are done that then you move onto playing that same chromatic scale backwards for 20 minutes..."

    Now I realize that this is a totally insane way to approach any kind of hobby; especially music. And I can see why some people don't get past the beginner or intermediate stages; or when they do they play the guitar like it is a video game and they sound like the most boring guitarist on earth even though they are a technical virstou.

    And, quite honestly if chromatic scales and exercises don't bore you to death and you can spend 2 hours a day practicing technical exercises then, I am sorry to say, but there is something wrong with you - time to get off the Dexedrine.

    The problem with learning guitar through formulas and ideas that are boring and repetitive is that eventually everything you play will sound boring, mediocore and repetitive.

    So here is the best tip I think that I have figured out in my 16 years of playing guitar and it's what I have always done anyways...

    PLAY WHAT YOU WANT TO PLAY!


    https://www.howtotuneaguitar.org/art...self-to-death/
    Great advice! Thanks for your time, and for the link

    Quote Originally Posted by RRvh1 View Post
    Not to mention, when talking about a novice who's had a guitar for supposedly only a few short months, do they even know what a 'scale' is? Most are still figuring out how to hold a plectrum...
    Now you've got me youtubing both (a scale and holding a plectrum ).

    Quote Originally Posted by mike529 View Post
    Free guitar lessons on Fender.com for the first 100,00 that sign up

    https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/...ronavirus.html

    Probably going to have lots of time to practice/play over the next months.
    Thank you Sir
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    ***


    Okay...so I have been studying with Justin Sandercoe - who's an excellent teacher.

    Justin's teaching format is as follows:

    - Get the majority of the chords down, while adding elements of "here's what makes a good rhythm guitar player"

    From there, I had hoped that Justin would get into picking, such that I could learn how to pick, and finger single notes (for solos, etc). Instead, the subsequent lessons (from where I am currently at), focus on palm muting, folk music technique, jazz technique, blues technique, etc

    Is it necessary for me to learn all of that, or no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NDL View Post
    ***


    Okay...so I have been studying with Justin Sandercoe - who's an excellent teacher.

    Justin's teaching format is as follows:

    - Get the majority of the chords down, while adding elements of "here's what makes a good rhythm guitar player"

    From there, I had hoped that Justin would get into picking, such that I could learn how to pick, and finger single notes (for solos, etc). Instead, the subsequent lessons (from where I am currently at), focus on palm muting, folk music technique, jazz technique, blues technique, etc

    Is it necessary for me to learn all of that, or no?
    He probably has to call them some sort of technique, just for curriculum purposes, but really they all sort of overlap.
    It's ideal to know as many ways to pick as possible, but no need to learn banjo rolls right now.
    Left and right hand muting is essential though, and if there's a Rock Picking option, go straight for that.
    And above all, stick with lessons that you are eager to accomplish, and fan the flames of any burning desires to learn something you really, really want to learn.
    It all depends on your personal desire to learn. Keep it exciting dude

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    I think if you are a beginner & the teacher says:

    First, we learn all the notes on the fretboard, then we do chromatic exercises
    with the metronome......

    The kid will quickly lose interest.

    The guitar is a very accessible instrument.

    I remember the awe & joy of someone teaching me, Movin' out or Seasons of wither, on
    acoustic guitar.

    I think i can get this, if i try!

    Then my sister's friend taught me the pull-offs in "Over the hills & far away."

    Little bite sized chunks that get the fingers moving, yet there's gratification
    because the goal is to make it sound like the song: music.
    Graver, Walking Ed, refugee from CVH & proud tone chaser...

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    This guy is an incredible guitar player, yet this has to be the worst attempt
    at "Unchained" i've ever heard by a Pro!

    Check out around the :30 mark.
    Graver, Walking Ed, refugee from CVH & proud tone chaser...

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    Ref. Drop Dead Legs.

    It's a slide in between the chords, not a bend or whammy bar use.

    Watch it played live.
    He does a slide between the notes, not a bend.

    Sometimes I mute pick them, though, individually, ala Cabo Wabo instead of the hammer ons, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NDL View Post
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    Okay...so I have been studying with Justin Sandercoe - who's an excellent teacher.

    Justin's teaching format is as follows:

    - Get the majority of the chords down, while adding elements of "here's what makes a good rhythm guitar player"

    From there, I had hoped that Justin would get into picking, such that I could learn how to pick, and finger single notes (for solos, etc). Instead, the subsequent lessons (from where I am currently at), focus on palm muting, folk music technique, jazz technique, blues technique, etc

    Is it necessary for me to learn all of that, or no?
    Definitely palm muting if you want to play Van Halen.

    I'd say blues technique and jazz technique would be helpful, you could probably skip the folk technique.
    The only genre I really know is Van Halen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    I think if you are a beginner & the teacher says:

    First, we learn all the notes on the fretboard, then we do chromatic exercises
    with the metronome......

    The kid will quickly lose interest.

    The guitar is a very accessible instrument.

    I remember the awe & joy of someone teaching me, Movin' out or Seasons of wither, on
    acoustic guitar.

    I think i can get this, if i try!

    Then my sister's friend taught me the pull-offs in "Over the hills & far away."

    Little bite sized chunks that get the fingers moving, yet there's gratification
    because the goal is to make it sound like the song: music.
    Yeah, that's what my teacher did. The basic chords, then a few easy tunes with those chords. I think you need the motivation of "I think I can do this" fairly early. Otherwise, like you say, it could get too boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    This guy is an incredible guitar player, yet this has to be the worst attempt
    at "Unchained" i've ever heard by a Pro!

    Check out around the :30 mark.
    LOL. What's he doing up their?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post

    You can play almost the entire Sam era within a couple months.
    And his wife can stand in for Eddie and tell him what to play
    My man, when you are fantasizing, don't go for attainable, you can get attainable at the local Applebee's. - Dave's Dreidel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler_279 View Post
    Ref. Drop Dead Legs.

    It's a slide in between the chords, not a bend or whammy bar use.

    Watch it played live.
    He does a slide between the notes, not a bend.

    Sometimes I mute pick them, though, individually, ala Cabo Wabo instead of the hammer ons, etc.
    I hear a slide & bend, no whammy, but def a bend.
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    I just checked online to be sure.

    I think this is very accurate, slide & bend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    I think if you are a beginner & the teacher says:

    First, we learn all the notes on the fretboard, then we do chromatic exercises
    with the metronome......

    The kid will quickly lose interest.

    The guitar is a very accessible instrument.

    I remember the awe & joy of someone teaching me, Movin' out or Seasons of wither, on
    acoustic guitar.

    I think i can get this, if i try!

    Then my sister's friend taught me the pull-offs in "Over the hills & far away."

    Little bite sized chunks that get the fingers moving, yet there's gratification
    because the goal is to make it sound like the song: music.
    Quote Originally Posted by Get The Show On The Road View Post
    Definitely palm muting if you want to play Van Halen.

    I'd say blues technique and jazz technique would be helpful, you could probably skip the folk technique.
    Quote Originally Posted by turnbuckle View Post
    He probably has to call them some sort of technique, just for curriculum purposes, but really they all sort of overlap.
    It's ideal to know as many ways to pick as possible, but no need to learn banjo rolls right now.
    Left and right hand muting is essential though, and if there's a Rock Picking option, go straight for that.
    And above all, stick with lessons that you are eager to accomplish, and fan the flames of any burning desires to learn something you really, really want to learn.
    It all depends on your personal desire to learn. Keep it exciting dude
    Guys,

    Thank you *all*, for your time and sharing of experience. I am doing this solo; my Dad plays acoustic, and is locked into that. Without this forum, and your suggestions, I would be lost.

    Thanks you
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    I hear a slide & bend, no whammy, but def a bend.
    The TAB book that turnbuckle so generously sent me has it with whammy dips but I know that's not right.

    When I looked at it I was like, "That can't be right because that's not what I hear."
    The only genre I really know is Van Halen.

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