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    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post
    Absolutely. The best way to learn guitar (or any instrument for that matter), is to learn to play something that you recognize because it allows you to feel some enjoyment from playing. Nobody likes practicing scales at speed and sounding like shit doing it. It's boring and will break your will to play. But playing along to an AC/DC song that teaches you chord changes? Absolutely. Then you can practice those scales, and when you're about to hit the breaking point, you go back to playing stuff you know to keep from throwing in the towel.
    Excellent advice...thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    There are lots of lists of easy songs to play.

    Just me personally, but I find it fun to simply learn how to play songs, and progressively learn harder ones.

    I started with Neil Young, Poison (ducks), John Mellencamp, etc. Doing nothing but drills puts me to sleep.
    Great call. Thanks for sharing your advice and experience; I am a fan of Neil Young & John Mellancamp. Later in the weekend, I plan on starting with Bon Jovi (Dead Or Alive). I'll look at Neil Young, etc., as well.

    ***

    Thanks to you all, for helping me to refocus, which will better serve me in the long run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Get The Show On The Road View Post
    I've messed around with it a little bit here and there. I could probably get it down pretty good if I sat down and really focused on it. The bend that he does in between the chords in the intro and verses is hard for me to get right for some reason.

    Funny thing is the longer I've played the harder it is sometimes for me to learn material because I think I ought to just be able to look at the TAB or hear the song and BOOM! be able to play it. So when I can't I get lazy and either make shit up or just quit. LOL! Even though I've got muscle memory and all that I still have to actually practice to get it down just like when I was a beginner. It doesn't take as long anymore but I still have to approach it that way at first.

    I agree with some of the other songs mentioned, Panama would be an excellent choice and I learned that one pretty quick when I was a beginning player, at least to the point where it was passable and people would know what it was. Over time I've learned more of the nuances of it and that's what's great about Ed's playing, there's so many little things that he does that I've been playing for so long and still learn little new variations on some of the stuff that I either couldn't execute as a beginner or just didn't play right.

    ATBL is another one. The intro is a little tricky at first, the key is to really get a good palm mute going on it. But once you know the intro, its pretty much the same for the verses and the chorus is just slamming on A minor and G. The solo is also one of Ed's more accessible ones for beginners. DOA is pretty easy too other than all the fills that Ed does that I always just improv anyway.
    I half ass learnt DDL not too long ago, but I've been playing for over forty years, and still fuck it up;



    I've pretty much forgotten what the hell I did, but it was kind of a bend/slide thingy.
    There's a ton of this stuff on the inter web, way better than my hackery here.

    It is possible to do pretty much anything with the right mindset. We all learn in different ways, and it's the desire to learn that makes the difference. Some noodle, some laser focus, just depends on the person.

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    There are a lot of online free resources to learn from. Justin has some good stuff and is a pretty good teacher https://www.justinguitar.com/songs

    Guitar World has a lesson section, not bad, YMMV on the instructor https://www.guitarworld.com/lessons

    Carl Brown over at guitar365 is pretty good https://guitarlessons365.com/song-lessons/

    Marty Music (search for him on YouTube) he a is pretty good teacher

    As far as Van Halen songs go, there a few easier songs in the catalog (minus the solo, but you can work your way up to getting those):
    Ain’t Talkin Bout love isn’t to technical, even the solo on this one isn’t complicated.
    You Really Got Me
    Ice Cream Man (minus the solo, it’s pretty tough getting that signature Eddie stretch)
    Little Dreamer (the solo is a little tough, but not too bad)
    Runnin With the Devil
    Bottoms Up (minus the solos)
    You're No Good (the solo is a bit tough though - those rubber bandy bends he does a hard to perfect)
    Pretty Woman
    So This is Love (minus the solo - it’s kinda difficult)
    316

    But with any song, get the main parts of the song down before you tackle the solo.

    Good Luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NDL View Post
    Excellent advice...thanks
    THIS.

    I had learned some basic stuff at an early age, then picked it up again about 6 or 7 years ago when my wife's uncle sent me a beautiful Epiphone Casino. Bought a used Roland Cube at a pawn shop, set it to Metal, hit a barre chord and I was hooked. Basically I just started playing along with my old favorites I grew up with (VH, Journey, Foreigner, Boston, etc.) on Pandora. I'll never get everything exactly right, but I can keep up.

    It's just the fact that I can somewhat play along to songs that I've loved over the years that keeps me happy. I'd love to be a technically better player, but scales and theory are not in the cards. So I'll just keep jamming along and having fun. One thing is, you DO get better the more you play. You figure stuff out and start hitting things a little quicker and sharper. It's fun when you have a breakthrough ("So THAT's how he did it"). YouTube helps if you want to get a certain song right. But don't think scales--just watch what they do and emulate it. You'll be painfully slow at first but you'll catch on quicker than you think.

    Just don't get frustrated. A lot of Ed's stuff is really different and hard to play (that's what makes him ED). Stay with it and you'll be fine.

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    As others have pointed out, you can have songs like Runnin' with the Devil, Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love, etc, in your repertoire pretty quick. The more technical stuff will take time... learning Eruption or Spanish Fly are probably a bit off in the future for you... not impossible, just difficult. A good chunk of the Sammy catalog is pretty accessible. For instance, if I was going to jump up and join a bar band for a song with no practice, "Top of the World" sounds great, but is actually pretty easy to play. Even the fills and solo aren't that complicated.

    Good luck, keep jamming, and let us know how you progress!

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    1: learn chords
    2: learn scales
    3: learn every note on the fretboard.
    4: learn songs that you yearn to learn (even it's just a part of the song)
    5: record yourself playing. You'll hear things that you might want to improve on.
    6. Get anything online or in print from Wolf Marshall, Andy Aledort and Dave Brewster you can.
    7. YouTube is your friend with lessons (especially Brewster) cool name huh? Lol
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    DOA was always the easiest one to learn for me, and it instantly sounds killer.

    EVH is very tricky to learn.
    Even something that APPEARS simple, is difficult.
    "Sinner's Swing!" just fucks me up with the timing, because the riff goes
    in and out with the timing, with the chirps in between.
    It's not straight forward, it's a basic progression that speeds up in strange places.
    Yet it SOUNDS right.

    DDL is another really tricky, timing kinda thing, with craziness in between the chords.

    I hate when people play Panama or DDL like it's an AC/DC song.
    It twists & turns, it's not straight forward.

    To play VH properly, it's like what my Dad told me back in the 80'S:

    Dad, how can i get as good as Eddie?

    Son, i think you'd have to play guitar all day, every day (which struck me as funny,
    because EVH said the exact same thing in an early GP interview)....it's a whole other
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyBHarris View Post
    There are a lot of online free resources to learn from. Justin has some good stuff and is a pretty good teacher https://www.justinguitar.com/songs

    Guitar World has a lesson section, not bad, YMMV on the instructor https://www.guitarworld.com/lessons

    Carl Brown over at guitar365 is pretty good https://guitarlessons365.com/song-lessons/

    Marty Music (search for him on YouTube) he a is pretty good teacher

    As far as Van Halen songs go, there a few easier songs in the catalog (minus the solo, but you can work your way up to getting those):
    Ain’t Talkin Bout love isn’t to technical, even the solo on this one isn’t complicated.
    You Really Got Me
    Ice Cream Man (minus the solo, it’s pretty tough getting that signature Eddie stretch)
    Little Dreamer (the solo is a little tough, but not too bad)
    Runnin With the Devil
    Bottoms Up (minus the solos)
    You're No Good (the solo is a bit tough though - those rubber bandy bends he does a hard to perfect)
    Pretty Woman
    So This is Love (minus the solo - it’s kinda difficult)
    316

    But with any song, get the main parts of the song down before you tackle the solo.

    Good Luck!
    Ha ha, I'm physically incapable of playing that the way Ed did.

    When I used to live in So Cal I went up to the walk rock in front of the guitar center that has Ed's handprints in the cement and his pinky was a good quarter to half inch longer than mine, as were the rest of his fingers.

    He's not much taller than me but his hands are significantly bigger.

    Interestingly my dad is two inches shorter but his hands are about the size of Ed's.

    Lucky me.
    The only genre I really know is Van Halen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    DOA was always the easiest one to learn for me, and it instantly sounds killer.

    EVH is very tricky to learn.
    Even something that APPEARS simple, is difficult.
    "Sinner's Swing!" just fucks me up with the timing, because the riff goes
    in and out with the timing, with the chirps in between.
    It's not straight forward, it's a basic progression that speeds up in strange places.
    Yet it SOUNDS right.

    DDL is another really tricky, timing kinda thing, with craziness in between the chords.

    I hate when people play Panama or DDL like it's an AC/DC song.
    It twists & turns, it's not straight forward.

    To play VH properly, it's like what my Dad told me back in the 80'S:

    Dad, how can i get as good as Eddie?

    Son, i think you'd have to play guitar all day, every day (which struck me as funny,
    because EVH said the exact same thing in an early GP interview)....it's a whole other
    level of dedication.
    People don't get Ed's jazz swing background so they play his stuff like its straight hard rock or metal.

    I can't tell you how many people I've heard play I'm The One with no swing.

    The notes are right but the feel is so wrong.
    The only genre I really know is Van Halen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BREW CREW View Post
    1: learn chords
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    3: learn every note on the fretboard.
    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post
    Nobody likes practicing scales at speed and sounding like shit doing it. It's boring and will break your will to play. But playing along to an AC/DC song that teaches you chord changes? Absolutely.
    I would say learn easy songs. You won't need chords, scales, and every note on the fretboard unless you want to learn improvising or compose your own music. Scales will bore you to death.
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    When starting out play easy songs. But overall, as a rule, play what you want to play.

    Here is a cool quote:


    A typical guitar teachers instructions to a beginning student might be something like:

    "You should practice this chromatic scale every day for like 20 minutes, and then once you are done that then you move onto playing that same chromatic scale backwards for 20 minutes..."

    Now I realize that this is a totally insane way to approach any kind of hobby; especially music. And I can see why some people don't get past the beginner or intermediate stages; or when they do they play the guitar like it is a video game and they sound like the most boring guitarist on earth even though they are a technical virstou.

    And, quite honestly if chromatic scales and exercises don't bore you to death and you can spend 2 hours a day practicing technical exercises then, I am sorry to say, but there is something wrong with you - time to get off the Dexedrine.

    The problem with learning guitar through formulas and ideas that are boring and repetitive is that eventually everything you play will sound boring, mediocore and repetitive.

    So here is the best tip I think that I have figured out in my 16 years of playing guitar and it's what I have always done anyways...

    PLAY WHAT YOU WANT TO PLAY!


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    Not to mention, when talking about a novice who's had a guitar for supposedly only a few short months, do they even know what a 'scale' is? Most are still figuring out how to hold a plectrum...

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcin View Post
    When starting out play easy songs. But overall, as a rule, play what you want to play.

    Here is a cool quote:


    A typical guitar teachers instructions to a beginning student might be something like:

    "You should practice this chromatic scale every day for like 20 minutes, and then once you are done that then you move onto playing that same chromatic scale backwards for 20 minutes..."

    Now I realize that this is a totally insane way to approach any kind of hobby; especially music. And I can see why some people don't get past the beginner or intermediate stages; or when they do they play the guitar like it is a video game and they sound like the most boring guitarist on earth even though they are a technical virstou.

    And, quite honestly if chromatic scales and exercises don't bore you to death and you can spend 2 hours a day practicing technical exercises then, I am sorry to say, but there is something wrong with you - time to get off the Dexedrine.

    The problem with learning guitar through formulas and ideas that are boring and repetitive is that eventually everything you play will sound boring, mediocore and repetitive.

    So here is the best tip I think that I have figured out in my 16 years of playing guitar and it's what I have always done anyways...

    PLAY WHAT YOU WANT TO PLAY!


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    Free guitar lessons on Fender.com for the first 100,00 that sign up

    https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/...ronavirus.html

    Probably going to have lots of time to practice/play over the next months.
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