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    Quote Originally Posted by Get The Show On The Road View Post
    So Trump saying stupid shit justifies Cuomo lying about not getting ventilators?

    I don't understand this line of thinking.
    No but when you look at the truth of the situation just as in the lie that he refused 16,000 ventilators " at a very good price" you can see that this is just another political hit job. But we certainly cannot hold the President responsible for the myriad lies and grossly irresponsible statements, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BREW CREW View Post
    The governor's complaining are only wanting to get the equipment for "free" (our taxes). Cowards!
    no, they want the equipment and are trying to get it themselves but a system that puts them in competition with other states, and federal governments keeps them from getting them

    Everyone is great with 2 trillion in corporate bailouts "free" (our taxes) but NOT OK with those funds being used for life saving supplies and equipment?

    Listen, if there were ventilators available for purchase and Cuomo needed money for them, all he would have to do is put out a few phone calls and the money would be there from the private sector. New York celebrities and investors are already opening their check books with a million here and a million there.

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    We didn’t have to have ventilator shortage — leaders chose not to prep for pandemic

    By Betsy McCaughey
    March 19, 2020




    The novel coronavirus is causing working-age people to worry about missing paychecks, caring for kids home from school, stockpiling groceries and canceling plans. But people in their 50s, 60s or older have bigger worries. Many are lying awake wondering if this is how they are going to die.

    At its most severe, the coronavirus attacks the lungs, making it impossible to breathe without a ventilator. Landing in the hospital on a ventilator is bad. But worse is being told you can’t have one.

    Hospitals in New York are running short. To his credit, Gov. Andrew Cuomo is doing his best, but he admits “you can’t find available ventilators no matter how much you’re willing to pay right now, because there is literally a global run on ventilators.”

    It’s a little late. Several years ago, after learning that the Empire State’s stockpile of medical equipment had 16,000 fewer ventilators than the 18,000 New Yorkers would need in a severe pandemic, state public-health leaders came to a fork in the road.

    They could have chosen to buy more ventilators to back up the supplies hospitals maintain. ­Instead, the health commissioner, Howard Zucker, assembled a task force for rationing the ventilators they already had.

    In 2015, that task force came up with rules that will be imposed when ventilators run short. ­Patients assigned a red code will have highest access, and other ­patients will be assigned green, yellow or blue (the worst), ­depending on a “triage officer’s” decision.

    In truth, a death officer. Let’s not sugar-coat it. It won’t be up to your own doctor.

    In 2015, the state could have purchased the additional 16,000 needed ventilators for $36,000 apiece, or a total of $576 million. It’s a lot of money, but in hindsight, spending half a percent of the budget to prepare for pandemic was the right thing to do.


    To be fair, governments everywhere stockpiled too little. Washington didn’t do much better: The federal Strategic National Stockpile is undersupplied to meet the coronavirus emergency.

    Now the pandemic is actually here. New York’s grim-reaper rules will be applied. New York City’s deputy commissioner for disease control, Demetre Daskalakis, is anticipating “some very ­serious, difficult decisions.” So far, in Gotham, one of every four people with a confirmed case has been hospitalized, and 44 percent of them have needed a ventilator.

    In Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the pandemic, doctors recently faced the grim arithmetic of 1,000 patients needing ventilators and only 600 available. Italy is rationing ventilators, too, leaving many to die without them.

    But in New York, rationing ventilators should be unnecessary. The state knew of the shortage, had the money and should have bought the lifesaving equipment, instead of making a plan for who should live or die. A lesson for the future.

    For next time. Global viral-disease crises are occurring with ­increasing frequency.

    In Italy, the death rate from coronavirus is a staggering 8 percent, more than double what’s occurring in many other countries. That’s partly because almost a quarter of Italy’s population is over 65 and thus especially vulnerable.

    The other reason is that ­Italy’s universal national health system promises free care but delivers stingy care. Italy has only around one-third as many intensive-care beds per capita as the United States does. Coronavirus patients are being turned away.

    Expect the same dire results in the United Kingdom. The British National Health Service allocates about one-fifth as many intensive care beds per capita as American hospitals do. Bernie Sanders, are you watching? What’s happening in Italy and Britain is proof single-payer heath care is emphatically not the way to go.

    Hospitals here in the United States will face severe challenges in the coming weeks, including shortages of space, equipment and personnel. But nothing compared to the extreme scarcity in Europe’s ­national health systems.

    Americans don’t want government holding back the very things we need to survive. New York should never again decide to ­ration lifesaving equipment when it can be bought affordably. Now is not the time for political criticism. It is the time to get our sanitized hands on ventilators — no matter what.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    GEEZUS.

    This looks like it was put together by the Daily Kos.
    Lol, filled her head for 3 yrs straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    We didn’t have to have ventilator shortage — leaders chose not to prep for pandemic

    By Betsy McCaughey
    March 19, 2020




    The novel coronavirus is causing working-age people to worry about missing paychecks, caring for kids home from school, stockpiling groceries and canceling plans. But people in their 50s, 60s or older have bigger worries. Many are lying awake wondering if this is how they are going to die.

    At its most severe, the coronavirus attacks the lungs, making it impossible to breathe without a ventilator. Landing in the hospital on a ventilator is bad. But worse is being told you can’t have one.

    Hospitals in New York are running short. To his credit, Gov. Andrew Cuomo is doing his best, but he admits “you can’t find available ventilators no matter how much you’re willing to pay right now, because there is literally a global run on ventilators.”

    It’s a little late. Several years ago, after learning that the Empire State’s stockpile of medical equipment had 16,000 fewer ventilators than the 18,000 New Yorkers would need in a severe pandemic, state public-health leaders came to a fork in the road.

    They could have chosen to buy more ventilators to back up the supplies hospitals maintain. ­Instead, the health commissioner, Howard Zucker, assembled a task force for rationing the ventilators they already had.

    In 2015, that task force came up with rules that will be imposed when ventilators run short. ­Patients assigned a red code will have highest access, and other ­patients will be assigned green, yellow or blue (the worst), ­depending on a “triage officer’s” decision.

    In truth, a death officer. Let’s not sugar-coat it. It won’t be up to your own doctor.

    In 2015, the state could have purchased the additional 16,000 needed ventilators for $36,000 apiece, or a total of $576 million. It’s a lot of money, but in hindsight, spending half a percent of the budget to prepare for pandemic was the right thing to do.


    To be fair, governments everywhere stockpiled too little. Washington didn’t do much better: The federal Strategic National Stockpile is undersupplied to meet the coronavirus emergency.

    Now the pandemic is actually here. New York’s grim-reaper rules will be applied. New York City’s deputy commissioner for disease control, Demetre Daskalakis, is anticipating “some very ­serious, difficult decisions.” So far, in Gotham, one of every four people with a confirmed case has been hospitalized, and 44 percent of them have needed a ventilator.

    In Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the pandemic, doctors recently faced the grim arithmetic of 1,000 patients needing ventilators and only 600 available. Italy is rationing ventilators, too, leaving many to die without them.

    But in New York, rationing ventilators should be unnecessary. The state knew of the shortage, had the money and should have bought the lifesaving equipment, instead of making a plan for who should live or die. A lesson for the future.

    For next time. Global viral-disease crises are occurring with ­increasing frequency.

    In Italy, the death rate from coronavirus is a staggering 8 percent, more than double what’s occurring in many other countries. That’s partly because almost a quarter of Italy’s population is over 65 and thus especially vulnerable.

    The other reason is that ­Italy’s universal national health system promises free care but delivers stingy care. Italy has only around one-third as many intensive-care beds per capita as the United States does. Coronavirus patients are being turned away.

    Expect the same dire results in the United Kingdom. The British National Health Service allocates about one-fifth as many intensive care beds per capita as American hospitals do. Bernie Sanders, are you watching? What’s happening in Italy and Britain is proof single-payer heath care is emphatically not the way to go.

    Hospitals here in the United States will face severe challenges in the coming weeks, including shortages of space, equipment and personnel. But nothing compared to the extreme scarcity in Europe’s ­national health systems.

    Americans don’t want government holding back the very things we need to survive. New York should never again decide to ­ration lifesaving equipment when it can be bought affordably. Now is not the time for political criticism. It is the time to get our sanitized hands on ventilators — no matter what.




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    Bbbbbbbut...it's Trump's fault!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    We didn’t have to have ventilator shortage — leaders chose not to prep for pandemic

    By Betsy McCaughey
    March 19, 2020




    The novel coronavirus is causing working-age people to worry about missing paychecks, caring for kids home from school, stockpiling groceries and canceling plans. But people in their 50s, 60s or older have bigger worries. Many are lying awake wondering if this is how they are going to die.

    At its most severe, the coronavirus attacks the lungs, making it impossible to breathe without a ventilator. Landing in the hospital on a ventilator is bad. But worse is being told you can’t have one.

    Hospitals in New York are running short. To his credit, Gov. Andrew Cuomo is doing his best, but he admits “you can’t find available ventilators no matter how much you’re willing to pay right now, because there is literally a global run on ventilators.”

    It’s a little late. Several years ago, after learning that the Empire State’s stockpile of medical equipment had 16,000 fewer ventilators than the 18,000 New Yorkers would need in a severe pandemic, state public-health leaders came to a fork in the road.

    They could have chosen to buy more ventilators to back up the supplies hospitals maintain. ­Instead, the health commissioner, Howard Zucker, assembled a task force for rationing the ventilators they already had.

    In 2015, that task force came up with rules that will be imposed when ventilators run short. ­Patients assigned a red code will have highest access, and other ­patients will be assigned green, yellow or blue (the worst), ­depending on a “triage officer’s” decision.

    In truth, a death officer. Let’s not sugar-coat it. It won’t be up to your own doctor.

    In 2015, the state could have purchased the additional 16,000 needed ventilators for $36,000 apiece, or a total of $576 million. It’s a lot of money, but in hindsight, spending half a percent of the budget to prepare for pandemic was the right thing to do.


    To be fair, governments everywhere stockpiled too little. Washington didn’t do much better: The federal Strategic National Stockpile is undersupplied to meet the coronavirus emergency.

    Now the pandemic is actually here. New York’s grim-reaper rules will be applied. New York City’s deputy commissioner for disease control, Demetre Daskalakis, is anticipating “some very ­serious, difficult decisions.” So far, in Gotham, one of every four people with a confirmed case has been hospitalized, and 44 percent of them have needed a ventilator.

    In Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the pandemic, doctors recently faced the grim arithmetic of 1,000 patients needing ventilators and only 600 available. Italy is rationing ventilators, too, leaving many to die without them.

    But in New York, rationing ventilators should be unnecessary. The state knew of the shortage, had the money and should have bought the lifesaving equipment, instead of making a plan for who should live or die. A lesson for the future.

    For next time. Global viral-disease crises are occurring with ­increasing frequency.

    In Italy, the death rate from coronavirus is a staggering 8 percent, more than double what’s occurring in many other countries. That’s partly because almost a quarter of Italy’s population is over 65 and thus especially vulnerable.

    The other reason is that ­Italy’s universal national health system promises free care but delivers stingy care. Italy has only around one-third as many intensive-care beds per capita as the United States does. Coronavirus patients are being turned away.

    Expect the same dire results in the United Kingdom. The British National Health Service allocates about one-fifth as many intensive care beds per capita as American hospitals do. Bernie Sanders, are you watching? What’s happening in Italy and Britain is proof single-payer heath care is emphatically not the way to go.

    Hospitals here in the United States will face severe challenges in the coming weeks, including shortages of space, equipment and personnel. But nothing compared to the extreme scarcity in Europe’s ­national health systems.

    Americans don’t want government holding back the very things we need to survive. New York should never again decide to ­ration lifesaving equipment when it can be bought affordably. Now is not the time for political criticism. It is the time to get our sanitized hands on ventilators — no matter what.




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    This is what pisses me the fuck off about this crap.

    We're all bring locked up in our homes because these assholes were more concerned about gender neutral bathrooms and other PC garbage than they were about being prepared for the next deadly virus that popped up out of some third world shithole.

    It would be poetic justice if it only affected the lemmings that vote for these clowns.

    Unfortunately we all are paying the price.
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    Rhode Island hunting down New Yorkers seeking coronavirus refuge

    3 hours ago



    Any New Yorkers in there?

    Rhode Island plans to send the National Guard out to knock door-to-door in an attempt to hunt down anyone who has arrived in the tiny state from New York City during the coronavirus pandemic. State police, meanwhile, have begun pulling over cars with New York state plates.

    Gov. Gina Raimondo said anyone traveling there from New York will be ordered to undergo a 14-day quarantine and could face fines or even jail time if they’re found to not comply.

    “Right now we have a pinpointed risk,” Raimondo said at a news conference Friday. “That risk is called New York City.”


    Rhode Island, which had some 162 confirmed cases by late Friday compared to New York State’s total of more than 44,000, joined a host of other municipalities and states trying bar entry to New Yorkers living in the epicenter of the US’ coronavirus outbreak.

    The Hamptons, counties north of the city, and governors in Florida, Maryland, Texas and South Carolina have all also ordered New Yorkers to keep out or undergo mandatory two-week quarantines.

    Cuomo said he was opposed to such restrictions, at least within the state.

    “I don’t like it socially or culturally,” Cuomo said during a radio appearance Friday on WAMC. “I don’t like what it says about us as one state, one family. Also, I don’t believe it’s medically justified.”

    In Rhode Island, Raimondo maintained she’s within her emergency powers to impose the aggressive measures and said she had consulted with state lawyers.

    “I know it’s unusual. I know it’s extreme and I know some people disagree with it,” she said.

    “If you want to seek refuge in Rhode Island, you must be quarantined.”


    But the American Civil Liberties Union said giving police power to stop cars simply for having New York license plates is an “ill-advised and unconstitutional plan.”


    “While the Governor may have the power to suspend some state laws and regulations to address this medical emergency, she cannot suspend the Constitution,” said Steven Brown, the executive director of the ACLU of Rhode Island, in a statement.

    “Under the Fourth Amendment, having a New York state license plate simply does not, and cannot, constitute ‘probable cause’ to allow police to stop a car and interrogate the driver, no matter how laudable the goal of the stop may be,” Brown added.



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    Massive Protest Breaks Out in China’s Hubei Province

    27 Mar 2020



    A huge protest march swept out of China’s Hubei province on Friday, with thousands of angry residents pouring across a bridge into neighboring Jiangxi province and clashing with police.

    The capital city of Hubei province is Wuhan, ground zero for the coronavirus pandemic.

    The Hubei residents streaming across the bridge are clearly angry after weeks of the coronavirus lockdown, which in theory is being lifted as the Chinese government claims infections in Hubei have dropped to zero. Evidently the protesters are infuriated by how the government has treated them during the crisis – infuriated enough to flip over police cars and swarm past riot control barriers.


    According to the “Things China Doesn’t Want You to Know” Twitter account quoted above, there are rumors the riot was kicked off by a fight between Hubei and Jiangxi police officers. The Hubei police were reportedly angered by Jiangxi police crossing into their jurisdiction.

    A number of Hubei police officers appear to have joined the civilian demonstrators in their march toward Jiangxi, and evidently raised few objections when the civilians decided to trash a few Jiangxi police cars and club riot police with their own shields.

    Noted Chinese dissident Badiucao heard rumors that the fight broke out because Jiangxi police resisted orders to open the border to Hubei after the coronavirus lockdown officially ended on Wednesday. One reason for their reluctance, according to Badiucao, is that “no one trusts the official numbers” for reduced coronavirus infections in Hubei, not even the police.


    Radio Free Asia (RFA) reported the demonstration was still going strong after eight hours of escalating confrontations:

    Jiangxi police on a checkpoint on the bridge had allowed a group of migrant workers stranded during the lockdown to pass, but had refused to allow Hubei residents through.

    After angry disputes broke out, Jiangxi police sent in riot police to seal off the entrance to Jiujiang.

    Video footage posted to YouTube showed thousands of people marching up the approach road to the bridge, shoulder to shoulder with uniformed police from Hubei, shouting “Go Hubei! Go Hubei!”

    A Hubei resident told RFA people from the province feel stigmatized and discriminated against, as they are still unwelcome in some other parts of China and treated poorly even when allowed to enter.

    RFA confirmed on Friday morning that the bridge battle broke out after Jiangxi police “injured Hubei police in the morning.” The civilian protesters expressed anger at the way they have been treated during the coronavirus epidemic.


    Canada’s Globe and Mail quoted a Chinese Communist Party (CCP) official yelling at the crowd through a loudspeaker and telling them it was “dangerous” to gather on the bridge due to “the risk of virus infection,” but the warning did not appear to be widely heeded.

    The Communist Party’s People’s Daily did report on the bridge conflict even as social media videos were scrubbed, describing it as “regrettable.”

    “The people of Hubei have made great efforts and significant contributions to winning the battle against the epidemic. People from all sectors of society have also been calling for the acceptance of Hubei’s migrant workers. However, it’s undeniable that some individuals of some regions have intentionally or unintentionally discriminated against Hubei people, set up obstacles for them to return to work,” the People’s Daily wrote.

    The Globe and Mail reported growing skepticism of the CCP’s claims to have controlled the epidemic, citing health officials who admitted thousands of asymptomatic patients were systematically excluded from the official counts to produce the “zero local infections” figure uncritically repeated by the World Health Organization and many American media outlets. Furthermore, the number of cremated remains returned to grieving families by the authorities this week is noticeably larger than the 3,200 deaths officially admitted by the CCP.



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    Geez I will say it a third time. Everybody has fucked up. We all knew a global pandemic was when not an IF. Governors, Feds, etc all should have had ventilators, masks, haz mat suits, etc just sitting in a warehouse. Carter, Reagan, HW, Clinton, GW, Obama and Trump all could have done this. A great time would have been the stimulus package of 2008 era. Just think how many jobs could have been saved if we decided to build at home 10 million ventilators and 500 million masks. Not going to single out Obama because everybody dropped the ball.

    You can't simply snap your fingers and create all this needed shit since December 2019. However it all could have been produced from 1980 up until now.

    If this was WW2, Douglas MacArthur just left the Phillipines saying he would return. Need time to get this shit rolling. However I guess playing tribal mentality is better than common sense

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    Everyone fucked up and too many people are hell bent on assigning blame instead of trying to look for solutions.

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    Home Depot co-founder Ken Langone just called bullshit on Marc Cuban’s claim that 3M is allowing price gouging by not telling distributors to sell directly to health care providers.

    Langone also heads up the NYU Langone Medical Center.


    This should be interesting.
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    Just pisses me off because I do believe that Cuomo, Trump, and everybody else is trying to fix this shit storm. Yes there will be communication issues. Think about like this. Trump has 50 governors who likely are reporting to his admin with status updates. He also like is getting updates from other world leaders. He is getting updates from manufacturing companies. Oh and his admin is feeding these people everything to. Oh and he is getting updates from his medical people while the governors are getting updates from their medical staff. Then you have large hospitals who are doing tests, reporting, etc. Then lastly every Tom Dick and Harry is reporting things to the press. All of this can change in 5 minutes

    So guess what? There will be inconsistencies with stories, quotes, etc.

    I want Trump to succeed. I want Trudeau to succeed. I want Cuomo to get it right along with every other governor out there. We are all in this together and the last fucking thing we need is going out of our way to be divisive as people. Yes I want our government leaders to do the same but they are politicians. Its in their blood so at times they are going to fall back into those trappings. However we as people need to rise above and not partake in that

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    Everyone fucked up and too many people are hell bent on assigning blame instead of trying to look for solutions.
    This, not sure how anyone can point out anyone in government doing a bang up job with this
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    This looks like it was put together by the Daily Kos.
    sooo...which of those things did he NOT say?

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