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    With topics like these Ed and Al are inseparable based on all of the information we've heard from others that have worked with them. Eddie is great at coming up with ideas, but often he relies on others to form the structure of songs, particularly Al. His influences play heavy into what sounds good to him and what inspires him to write and play, but the structure of the song is very much a collective effort between the various members of the band. The stuff we have that is purely Ed doesn't really scream "structure," i.e. Cathedral, 1984, Strung Out, Little Guitars Intro, etc. There's certainly a crescendo to those pieces where the flow makes sense, but they are very different from the other songs around them in the catalog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RRvh1 View Post
    Was Eddie's sibling even brought up in the OP, thread title, etc?
    Just wondering if I had to reboot my phone again...
    I brought him up.

    You can't have a discussion about Jan's influence on Ed without also including his brother who just happened to sit in on drums with Jan's band from time to time.

    Edward has stated many times that Al has been an inspiration for many of the riffs and ideas that he has come up with, along with arranging some of them into a coherent piece of music. In fact, he specifically cites one of your favorites, Pleasure Dome, as being "Al's baby."

    Quit being a negative Nancy in every thread you enter. If you can't add something meaningful to the discussion then don't fucking post in it trying to stir up trouble.
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    This is interesting and honestly something I never considered.

    both of the brothers played with their father multiple times (if I remember right) then he had to have influence on them.

    it would be interesting to hear what Ed and Al have to say about this.

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    Can you imagine claiming to be this mega Led Zep fan, then going into Zep
    forums, and trashing John Bonham, while only praising Page?

    Then, after that, poking fun at Robert Plant's vocals?

    You'd be annihilated within seconds.
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    Ed mentions some of this in the Smithsonian Event interview..

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    Both Eddie and Alex have something in their blood, genes, whatever you want to call it. It has nothing to do with technical ability, number of years on the instrument or anything else. Edward can play one note and it has feel and soul like nobody else. Alex hits the snare drum once and it sends a chill down my spine. If Jan gave Alex and Edward anything it was the ability to have their own voice on the instruments they play and a feel that is all their own. Obviously they had influences just like anyone else but they channeled those influences and made it their own. There are a lot of people that have studied Ed for so long that they have managed to capture his sound and feel pretty good. Usually what I see is that not many drummers have been able to truly cop Alex's style and sound. I think so far I think Jacob and Josh have come the closest. Josh has Alex's snare down perfectly.

    I definitely think there is a big band influence to VH. That includes all of them as Dave loves that era and Mike has a trumpet background as well. While a lot of people aren't crazy about the gary era of VH, there is a live bootleg from Hershey PA and the version of Year to the Day is great. Alex plays with a lot of dynamics and is really swinging in parts of the solo. Al's old school style of playing is definitely what has made him a favorite of mine since I started playing drums in 1982 at age 11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    Can you imagine claiming to be this mega Led Zep fan, then going into Zep
    forums, and trashing John Bonham, while only praising Page?

    Then, after that, poking fun at Robert Plant's vocals?

    You'd be annihilated within seconds.
    I think it's a combination of Robbie being an EVH sycophant (which also serves his agenda of minimizing the contributions of DLR) and also trying to tweak JD, who is the biggest AVH fan on this website. Robbie's act is both tiresome and stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    I think it's a combination of Robbie being an EVH sycophant (which also serves his agenda of minimizing the contributions of DLR) and also trying to tweak JD, who is the biggest AVH fan on this website. Robbie's act is both tiresome and stupid.
    Tiresome & Stupid:

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    Bon Jovi aka the Bruce Springsteen of hair bands, but without good lyrics.
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    I think Eddie's idea that if it sounds good it is good, I think that spirit came from his dad. Also, the idea that if you make a mistake, you keep on pedaling, or you play it twice and smile so that people think it's intentional. That idea came directly from dad. I think the brothers learned a lot from their father, especially all the gigs they did with him when they were very young. They definitely have his sense of rhythm. Listen to Jan's clarinet solo in Big Bad Bill and tell me Eddie didn't get his dad's sense of swing.

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    Their early education in piano sounded very intense and comprehensive. If I'm not mistaken they said they were instructed by a very old school Russian instructor.

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    Hello Diver Down calling from 1982. Is Big Bad Bill there.

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    Van Halen was in full swing mode way before 1982 …

    "It's so lonely at the top because it's so crowded at the bottom" - Diamond David Lee Roth

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    You can definitely hear the classical in things like Eruption & Spanish Fly.

    There's a movement, sense of composition, especially in the tapping portions.
    Think of it: 78 & 79, and these instrumentals aren't just breaking ground technically,
    but they have the musicality of someone who did learn classical piano.

    Even the Mean Street intro, though not classical, has this incredible musicality.
    You're knocked out by the technique, but he also wrote this really cool composition
    illustrating the technique.
    It's like space age funk meets heavy metal.

    Then you have Cathedral, which to me, has always been so beautiful (the notes),
    especially the ending phrase, that kind of repeats.

    I remember Dweezil did his own Cathedral on Havin' a bad day, but the song
    he created to illustrate the technique, wasn't all that interesting.

    Eddie always had a really good song, illustrating the idea.

    Even that Little Guitars intro is just so sweet.

    He always comes up with an engaging composition, even if it's just an intro.
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    I hear that, Jape. Even his outros are super creative. Often a song within a song.

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