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    Quote Originally Posted by evhintexas View Post
    I yanked everything out of a 62 Fender tele. Routed it out and put a JB along with an EVH low friction pot in. It is absolutely awesome now. Before it was unplayable. I kept everything in the old pickgaurd so I could it a back all original minus a little bit of wood...lol
    Several years ago I pulled the bridge pickup out of a 1981 Ibanez Destroyer and put a JB in. Totally kicks ass now. On the other side of that, I put the Ibanez pickup in a 1963 Fender Mustang...it's got one if the best tones I've ever heard. Problem is, I don't know what that Ibanez pick up even is. I put that pickup in back when I was 15 years old and have not looked at it since....Hmmmmm, maybe I need to check it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NDL View Post
    Okay...after watching the above youtube video's, the conclusion that was drawn agreed with what CalFB said: a cheap amp won't ever produce the desired sound, no matter the pickup.

    Here's what I am using:

    https://www.amazon.com/Fender-Champi...SIN=B00EM5UOE6

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    Maybe it's best that I get some experience under my belt (as I am new to playing), before putting more money into this project. I am glad that I picked up the guitar however, and I do see myself sticking with it.

    Thanks to all who replied

    I think that amp is part of your problem.

    My first amp was a similar Fender model as well and I didn't like the sound I got out of it much either even after I bought my EVH EBMM.

    What was interesting was I bought a 5150 cabinet and the sound instantly improved even though I was using the same amp and just running it through the 4X12 cabinet through the line out that it had, so I think the speakers have a lot to do with it.

    I have a little modeling amp now called a Peavey Vypyr that I paid about a hundred bucks for. For what it is it gets a good tone and I've set it to kind of get that early VH tone through the "plexi" setting with some delay and chorus on it.



    This is a phone recording but you can get the gist of what it sounds like.

    But like others have mentioned you're not going to get an exact replication of that tone at bedroom volume. The early VH tone is actually pretty clean relatively speaking but with a lot of sustain because of the high volume because he was driving the amp so hard. That's why he got the cardiac, to be able to bring the volume down while still driving the tubes to 11.

    Like others have said I'd mess with the eq and effects before trying to swap out pickups. And if that doesn't work, look at getting a modeling amp that has a bunch of different amp and effects settings.
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    Youíre not gonna get any VH sounds out of that amp dude. You can maybe go for one of the VH overdrive pedals and stick that in front of it. Thatís probably going to be your best bet with that particular amp.

    Thatís why I think modeling amps are the way to go if youíre just playing at bedroom volume in your room.
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    What price point are you looking to pay?
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    Check out Pariah Pickups. They have the Pasadena White (early Roth era), Pasadena Black (late Roth Era to today) Frankenstrat pickups and an '84 style (5150) pickup. The '84 is likely what you seek. The Pasadena Black I have in my Frankenstrat is pretty incredible. I've only ever seen rave reviews of their pickups too.

    Here are some clips of the Pasadena Black. It's a bit hotter than the Pasadena White for sure, and I think still a bit hotter than the '84.




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    My advice: find your tone.

    But if you are really into VH sound, before buying anything, check out Jeff Fiorentino guidelines. http://jfrocksguitarlessons.com/van-halen-brownsound/

    The basic EQ settings given below should help to at least give you a good EQ foundation for your Van Halen Brown Sound.

    Bass EQ: 2 to 4 out of 10 ; Treble EQ: 9 or 10 out of 10 ; Mid EQ: 2.5 to 6 (depends on amp & guitar. 4 is a good start) ;

    Presence: 4 to 6 out of 10 ; Reverb: Varies from 6 to 10 on most amps, the solos usually have more than rhythms.

    Note that for the later Sammy era sound with Chorusing it's a good idea to raise up the mids a little bit beyond what's laid out below which is more for the DLR era early VH tone and designed to be paired with the MXR Phase 90 and/or MXR Flanger.


    MXR Stereo Chorus
    : Though not really a Van Halen effect as far as one that everyone who's into Van Halen has, I've found through my own tinkering that the MXR Stereo Chorus is phenomenal for dialing in an amazing mid and late era VH tone. It's a great substitute for the expensive harmonizer as well. This is the ideal Chorus effect for the Van Hagar era sound and it doesn't break the bank. Like the Phase 90 I also recommend running the stereo Chorus in the FX Loop of your amp. But again to each his own, what works for me and my specific guitar and amp setup may not be ideal for your setup, so try both ways and figure out what works best for you. Either way the settings below are a great guideline Chorus setting for the Van Halen tone, provided your amp EQ is set properly and your guitar is setup properly. (see earlier sections of this page for tips)

    Standard setting (basic rule of thumb guideline only!! You'll need to tweak based on your setup):
    Bass = 40%
    Treble = 60%
    Intensity = 25% to 80% - depends, for sounds like on OU812, a 60%-80% setting is suggested.
    Width = 25% to 60% - I keep the Width setting the same or close to the Intensity setting, but no higher than 60%
    Rate = 10% to 25% max.

    Alternatives to MXR Chorus, which is an alternative to Eventide Harmonizer, are:

    Digitech Luxe

    Mooer Pitch Box

    TC Electronic Brainwaves

    Quintessence Harmony used as a detuner.

    Also we have this Artist Pack compatible with Fractal Audio Systems™ Axe-Fx III, Axe-Fx II and AX8. "Brown Sound" is a collection of perfectly matched guitar tones blah blah blah blah.



    But you won't be able to replicate this sound 100% right without all those expensive toys used by Ed anyway. Let me quote one guy: "he was using Soldano SLO or Peavey 5150 amps with lots of preamp distortion. He ran a wet/dry/wet setup, where he would get a line out feed from the speaker outputs of his amp to feed an Eventide H3000 harmonizer which would split his signal detuned -9 cents left and +9 cents right. Add digital delay (with different settings left and right), feed into solid state power amps for the left and right cabinets and his dry sound in the center. Mike all 3 cabinets and mix for front of house".

    Crazy shit, huh?


    Last but not least, watch these two vids below:



    (on tonewood) "Can I hear a difference? Yes. Does it matter? Absolutely not, it is fully 100% academic. Find a guitar that plays well, balances well, that's light...has a neck profile that is perfect for you, it doesn't matter what the cost is, what the brand is, find something that is playable. The second thing is find a great amp. Between those two combinations you will be able to get any tone you will imagine".



    If you don't have an american-made guitar you are wastin' your time and money. Well, don't waste your time with hot takes like that. It is absolute garbage, it is not true anymore, don't let people look down on you because of where your guitar was made. A CNC machine has no idea if it is In Indonesia, Korea, China or Cleveland. So, what does matter is the fit and finish and quality control. Anything in Indonesia in the six to eight hundred dollar range easily rivals anything made in the States, it is just the way it is. So, don't waste your time with garbage like that, bust the myth, grab a guitar that you like, that you want to play and spend your time practicing rather than arguing.


    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    You’re not gonna get any VH sounds out of that amp dude. You can maybe go for one of the VH overdrive pedals and stick that in front of it. That’s probably going to be your best bet with that particular amp.

    That’s why I think modeling amps are the way to go if you’re just playing at bedroom volume in your room.
    Technically, this Fender Champion is a modeling amp, although a weird one (Tweed, Blackface, British and Metal; WTF?). However, I wouldn't rule out (never played this amp) that he may be able to get some decent sounds out of it with some tweaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi McFly View Post
    Check out Pariah Pickups. They have the Pasadena White (early Roth era), Pasadena Black (late Roth Era to today) Frankenstrat pickups and an '84 style (5150) pickup. The '84 is likely what you seek. The Pasadena Black I have in my Frankenstrat is pretty incredible. I've only ever seen rave reviews of their pickups too.

    Here are some clips of the Pasadena Black. It's a bit hotter than the Pasadena White for sure, and I think still a bit hotter than the '84.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi McFly View Post
    Check out Pariah Pickups. They have the Pasadena White (early Roth era), Pasadena Black (late Roth Era to today) Frankenstrat pickups and an '84 style (5150) pickup. The '84 is likely what you seek. The Pasadena Black I have in my Frankenstrat is pretty incredible. I've only ever seen rave reviews of their pickups too.

    Here are some clips of the Pasadena Black. It's a bit hotter than the Pasadena White for sure, and I think still a bit hotter than the '84.



    I love these videos. You really need that harmonizer to kick in on the So This is Love solo, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    The Custom Custom a nice pickup. Iíve actually never had one in any of my guitars but the singer in my band does and it sounds good.

    I am partial to the EVH Frankenstein pickups which has some similar qualities to the Custom Custom. I would say itís a little hotter.
    I had a homemade VH1 replica & I used a Custom/Custom in it. I was quite impressed. IMO, it sounds very similar to a JB, but just a little smoother & not as bright. YMMV
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    Quote Originally Posted by Get The Show On The Road View Post
    I think that amp is part of your problem.

    My first amp was a similar Fender model as well and I didn't like the sound I got out of it much either even after I bought my EVH EBMM.

    What was interesting was I bought a 5150 cabinet and the sound instantly improved even though I was using the same amp and just running it through the 4X12 cabinet through the line out that it had, so I think the speakers have a lot to do with it.

    I have a little modeling amp now called a Peavey Vypyr that I paid about a hundred bucks for. For what it is it gets a good tone and I've set it to kind of get that early VH tone through the "plexi" setting with some delay and chorus on it.



    This is a phone recording but you can get the gist of what it sounds like.

    But like others have mentioned you're not going to get an exact replication of that tone at bedroom volume. The early VH tone is actually pretty clean relatively speaking but with a lot of sustain because of the high volume because he was driving the amp so hard. That's why he got the cardiac, to be able to bring the volume down while still driving the tubes to 11.

    Like others have said I'd mess with the eq and effects before trying to swap out pickups. And if that doesn't work, look at getting a modeling amp that has a bunch of different amp and effects settings.
    Slight correction ^^^. Eddie got the Variac. It was us who got the Cardiac...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RRvh1 View Post
    Slight correction ^^^. Eddie got the Variac. It was us who got the Cardiac...
    Yeah, huh?

    Stupid autocorrect. How can it not know what a Variac is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Get The Show On The Road View Post
    Yeah, huh?

    Stupid autocorrect. How can it not know what a Variac is?
    Happens to me all the time!
    Like that FB post; "Dear Autocorrect... It's never 'Duck'..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    The Custom Custom a nice pickup. Iíve actually never had one in any of my guitars but the singer in my band does and it sounds good.

    I am partial to the EVH Frankenstein pickups which has some similar qualities to the Custom Custom. I would say itís a little hotter.
    I appreciate, and value, your comments. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by fudd View Post
    Actually if you can find the pickup out of a late 1970ís early 80ís ibanez destroyer they are super tits. If memory serves me itís called a super 70. Itís great if you can find them.


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    You are correct sir. I read a wiki account of the Destroyer and it indeed says it's a Super 70.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Get The Show On The Road View Post
    I think that amp is part of your problem.

    My first amp was a similar Fender model as well and I didn't like the sound I got out of it much either even after I bought my EVH EBMM.

    What was interesting was I bought a 5150 cabinet and the sound instantly improved even though I was using the same amp and just running it through the 4X12 cabinet through the line out that it had, so I think the speakers have a lot to do with it.

    I have a little modeling amp now called a Peavey Vypyr that I paid about a hundred bucks for. For what it is it gets a good tone and I've set it to kind of get that early VH tone through the "plexi" setting with some delay and chorus on it.



    This is a phone recording but you can get the gist of what it sounds like.

    But like others have mentioned you're not going to get an exact replication of that tone at bedroom volume. The early VH tone is actually pretty clean relatively speaking but with a lot of sustain because of the high volume because he was driving the amp so hard. That's why he got the cardiac, to be able to bring the volume down while still driving the tubes to 11.

    Like others have said I'd mess with the eq and effects before trying to swap out pickups. And if that doesn't work, look at getting a modeling amp that has a bunch of different amp and effects settings.
    I appreciate, and thank you, for both your time and suggestions.

    Your tone is spot on (as is your playing); I can't believe that that's coming out of a small bedroom amp! Thanks for the recommendation...I'll look into it.

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    You’re not gonna get any VH sounds out of that amp dude.
    The way in which you worded this made me cackle...I thank you for your reply; now that y'all mentioned it, my expectations were kind of unrealistic given the $125 I paid for this amp/speaker combo.
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