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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    Do i think the club ran it? Yes.. Do we have an admission of that? No. Also what they were doing wasn't against the rules.

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    Really, so that's where we go - that PED's weren't cheating?

    How about - it was against the law. By extension, that = against the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrin Stephens View Post
    Actually the use of electronic equipment isnindeed against the rules.
    Vacate the series and take the pennant away but leave it a team punishment. Let players police players and let Altuve get beaned on a daily basis. His story of the tatoo has the same issue his original story he was embarrassed to have his shirt off in public as disrespect to his wife. He immediately after the series went on vacation to the beach and posted plenty of shirtless pics of himself on Instagram. Was a liar, and still a liar. Hope he has a lot of ice this season

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrk5150 View Post
    And not every single guy was engaging in the sign stealing. Every team had a guy or two, sure. Some teams had multiple guys who weren't all that secretive, to the point you can absolutely argue it was an organized programmatic effort. And while it very likely wasn't overtly sanctioned by team management, it sure as fuck was known and condoned. At the time, however, it was "good for the game" to have guys jacking balls out of stadiums, so nobody cared. It still amounted to cheating in a significant way.

    Again - all this sign stealing and I ain't seeing 50-70 HR's coming from anyone on those teams. And check the juicer's BA's - they sure were a lot higher than they otherwise would/should be. You get 2-3-4 guys in your lineup on PED's, you're going to do a hell of a lot more damage than stealing signs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrk5150 View Post
    Really, so that's where we go - that PED's weren't cheating?

    How about - it was against the law. By extension, that = against the rules.
    So is cocaine use. Do the 86 Mets have to give up their title?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jrk5150 View Post
    Really, so that's where we go - that PED's weren't cheating?

    How about - it was against the law. By extension, that = against the rules.
    Dude, you are only defending it because the Red Sox are on trial about it. If it was the Dodgers doing it and they had cost you guys a World Series, or even worse the Yankees in the ALCS, you would be losing your mind.
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    PEDs compared to this is night and day. With PED's you still have to have the skills to hit the ball. Or a pitcher still has to pitch a strike. Part of the challenge of hitting a 80+ mph pitch is knowing what that pitch is. Looking for a curve and you get the heater means you likely won't get a bat on the ball. Vice versa. There is a reason why batting averages are higher when bases are loaded with a 3-2 count. Most likely the batter is gearing for a fastball. Maybe instead of 3 or 4 pitches to look for you know you are going to get one of his two favorites. Plus PEDs are far more effective with recovery times of athletes. So Roger Clemons and Andy Pettine got the same benefits as McGwire or Bonds halfway through the year. Yes batters were stronger therefore they could hit a little further but the FIRST STEP in getting a hit is to put the bat on the ball.

    PEDS doesn't help that. Guess what helps? Getting buzzed on the shoulder telling you what pitch is coming. Hearing a trash can. These are professional hitters and pitchers. You get the slightest advantage it makes a difference. Just like a pitcher using vasoline or pine tar. If he gets just a tad more break on the ball, he becomes that much harder to hit.

    Anyway a bit of a different take on what a shitty job Manfred is doing not related to the cheating scandal. God I miss this guy. Was one of the first that was ripping the Astros a few years ago and was told by MLB to shut up





    The cheating is one issue however their lack of remorse is something all together different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    So is cocaine use. Do the 86 Mets have to give up their title?


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