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    When you’ve been called God (Clapton is God) and had the entertainment press doing backflips for you for many years, and then out of the blue, a punk kid comes along and turns the apple cart over rendering the current crop of guitarists obsolete, you’re gonna get some backlash.

    Plus, some of these English guys may have been wild and innovative in their day, but their Englishness eventually comes out and they become staid, uptight, and pretentious. That’s what happened to musicians like Clapton, Blackmore, Plant, Sting, later Knopfler, etc.

    As for Perry, he was a decent player but he was similar to Page in my opinion - sloppy but cool; Aerosmith had some great songs. But, he and Nugent never pushed guitar playing down the field very far, if at all. And I’m sure it killed Perry that someone younger and better was setting the world on fire.

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    I can't really get too wound up about what Ken Burns has to say about guitar playing, either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    I can't really get too wound up about what Ken Burns has to say about guitar playing, either way.
    If a Catholic Priest can give marital advice, then I guess Ken Burns can pretend to be an authority on guitar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    Fucking Eddie is now walking around Cali, wearing a "Who the fuck is Ken Burns?" t-shirt...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokgtar View Post
    When you’ve been called God (Clapton is God) and had the entertainment press doing backflips for you for many years, and then out of the blue, a punk kid comes along and turns the apple cart over rendering the current crop of guitarists obsolete, you’re gonna get some backlash.

    Plus, some of these English guys may have been wild and innovative in their day, but their Englishness eventually comes out and they become staid, uptight, and pretentious. That’s what happened to musicians like Clapton, Blackmore, Plant, Sting, later Knopfler, etc.

    As for Perry, he was a decent player but he was similar to Page in my opinion - sloppy but cool; Aerosmith had some great songs. But, he and Nugent never pushed guitar playing down the field very far, if at all. And I’m sure it killed Perry that someone younger and better was setting the world on fire.
    Clapton’s god status was already killed by Hendrix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    Clapton’s god status was already killed by Hendrix.
    Don't stop me; I'm on a roll man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destructo3 View Post
    Exactly. He made one well received documentary on baseball quite a while ago and became the darling of PBS..:
    Burns big break was actually his Civil War documentary that aired on PBS in the (very) early 1990's, it predated his baseball one, and was the only reason they actually sponsored it. He also recently did one on Vietnam, that was vastly inferior to a prior PBS Vietnam documentary from the 80's. Burns makes decent TV pieces but his scholarship sucks and he has been called out several times for his historical inaccuracies. He's the last guy to comment on musical scholarship...

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    His Civil War and baseball documentaries are good, the rest of his stuff is just shit. He’s a pompous ass too, so there you go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    His Civil War and baseball documentaries are good, the rest of his stuff is just shit. He’s a dick too, so there you go.
    I can't speak for his baseball one, I didn't watch it. His Civil War series was entertaining from a TV standpoint, but is rife with falsehoods and has been panned by historians as featuring Podunk story tellers over actual historians. There were push-back editorials released in the 1990s...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raldo View Post
    He did that Baseball documentary back in the 90s. It was really good.
    I'll give you that. It was pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    There were a number of big name guitarists who weren't thrilled when EVH burst on the scene and ate their lunches. Richie Blackmore, Joe Perry and Ted Nugent come to mind.
    Blackmore was quoted "EVH could be the next Cole Porter". That is very high praise if you ask me.


    Here is where I got that quote.

    "Obviously, Eddie Van Halen must have picked up a few of those things. What do you think of him?
    It depends on my mood. He is probably the most influential player in the last 15 years 'cause everybody's gone out and bought one of those, what does he play, Charvel, Carvel ... Kramer, with the locking nut. Yes, with the locking nut! And everyone's gone hammer-on crazy! So he's obviously done something. He's a great guitar player, but I'm more impressed by his recent songwriting and keyboard work. I think he's going to be remembered—he could be the next Cole Porter."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokgtar View Post
    Don't stop me; I'm on a roll man!
    That’s a fact,Jack.

    Well, we know who is going to be left out of Ken Burns inevitable “Rock”. Spoiler alert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAD-1972 View Post
    Kind of reminds my of that backstage video of Eddie Trunk interviewing Jake E. Lee, right before the first Red Dragon Cartel gig at the Whiskey... Can't remember the exact quote, yet Trunk made a remark, and Jake (sipping on a drink) kind of gave him this look and said "Yeah, who the f*ck are you?" Haha.

    Given their history, I know they are friendly, yet I thought that was hilarious and cool on Jake's part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    Clapton’s god status was already killed by Hendrix.
    Clapton has even said as much in interviews. Although I'm one of those who puts the impact of Eddie Van Halen even higher than that of James Marshall... Hendrix was ahead of his time by a bit, and is undoubtedly a major figure. Edward was ahead of his time by light years, much like Yngwie a short while later. IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokgtar View Post
    When you’ve been called God (Clapton is God) and had the entertainment press doing backflips for you for many years, and then out of the blue, a punk kid comes along and turns the apple cart over rendering the current crop of guitarists obsolete, you’re gonna get some backlash.

    Plus, some of these English guys may have been wild and innovative in their day, but their Englishness eventually comes out and they become staid, uptight, and pretentious. That’s what happened to musicians like Clapton, Blackmore, Plant, Sting, later Knopfler, etc.

    As for Perry, he was a decent player but he was similar to Page in my opinion - sloppy but cool; Aerosmith had some great songs. But, he and Nugent never pushed guitar playing down the field very far, if at all. And I’m sure it killed Perry that someone younger and better was setting the world on fire.
    I never felt like Perry was trying to be a gunslinger or guitar hero.

    His thing was always more band orientated, and he's always said he knew he had limitations,
    technically.

    What made Joe great was his slinky/behind the beat style, and great riffs.
    I loved his style, but never looked at him as this young gun/don't take my crown,
    kinda player.

    Ted, on the other hand, was a gunslinger, though more a mid 70's/blues box, gunslinger.

    Listen to Double Live Gonzo!

    He's not holding back, and was one of the faster soloists up to that point.

    I can see EVH coming out, and Ted being a bit put off.
    Ted didn't have the stretches and more scalar runs, that Ed mixed with his
    more standard licks.

    And Ed could play those "box" licks, but he had such speed & strength, it sounded
    way beyond a Page or Nugent.

    SRV could do that, as well.

    Play a 70's/Pentatonic thing, but make it sound impossibly hard and aggressive.
    Graver, Walking Ed, refugee from CVH & proud tone chaser...

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