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    Quote Originally Posted by Raldo View Post
    He did that Baseball documentary back in the 90s. It was really good.
    Except he basically left out one of the greatest hitters of all time, Stan Musial.

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    As for the VH thing, my guess is that after being steeped in country music for the last couple of years doing this documentary he probably doesn't want to lay that crown of respect at anyone's feet in rock and roll.
    CNN may think my opinion matters, but you shouldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raldo View Post
    He did that Baseball documentary back in the 90s. It was really good.
    Exactly. He made one well received documentary on baseball quite a while ago and became the darling of PBS. Nothing he’s done since has held my interest. He is NOT an expert on music and clearly any opinions he has of Ed are not based on historical significance but rather his own personal perception. Yes, I think Ted knows just a little more about Ed’s importance to music than Burns. What a joke.

    That self righteous prick Kurt Loader (sp?) ran a pretty detailed piece on the development of rock and even he understood the impact VH and Eddie had on what was perceived to be a dying art when VH1 came out.

    Burns clearly thinks you have to demonstrate your music credibility by giving hyper stated praise to the blues players while disrespecting any player who isn’t heavily blues based. Hence Clapton who is not innovative and didn’t change the game, IS God because he’s blues based. Eddie rewrote the book on what can be done and how the guitar can be played paving the way for generations of players, but he has no respect for Ed in the same context as someone like Clapton. Zzz
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    This is just some guy's opinion, for all we know he sits around pounding his pud to jazz all day and is offended by the melodic overtones of a distorted guitar. To me, it's like the RRHOF, in the movie Beyond the Lighted Stage (about Rush) Billy Corgan basically said that in the end those deciding who is in and who is out are just a few people in a room somewhere, that always stuck with me. And he's right, who are they to tell us who is and isn't worthy? Rush had been filling stadiums since the 70s yet a band who wrote a tune about beating off and drinking got inducted first, no slight to The Beastie Boys but come on. In the end it's all subjective, I dig Ken Burns for his photo effects, not his musical opinions.

    BTW, good to see all you fuckers again!

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    To be honest, I don't really take it as that big of a slap to Eddie.

    I mean he references Dizzy and Charlie Parker as better examples. Its not like he said "well I think th Jack White and Joan Jett" are better examples. Dizzy and Charlie are heavyweights in a genre which is more advanced than rock. I love Eddie but he created a style that fits Eddie Van Halen. He revolutionized a way to play guitar sure but you really can't put him outside those confines and hear him succeed. I do think Burns like Rolling Stone is pretentious and yes he will favor his personal choices but to do a documentary does require one to put some sort of research into it. Interviewing people and even studying. I mean we are all invested with VH but how much have we invested in the beginnings of country music or jazz?

    I do think Eddie gets slighted due to him helping the hair metal movement but I also think we also over estimate his impact as well on the whole of music.

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    Who the hell is Ken Burns, and why should I care about what he thinks about EVH?

    And BTW, Dizzy Gillespie had the worst technique in the history of trumpet, his actual playing ability aside.
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    Fucking Eddie is now walking around Cali, wearing a "Who the fuck is Ken Burns?" t-shirt...
    Graver, Walking Ed, refugee from CVH & proud tone chaser...

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    It always seemed interesting that Clapton dismissed Ed's blues playing, while
    Jeff Beck stated that Eddie was a fantastic Blues player, underneath it all.
    Graver, Walking Ed, refugee from CVH & proud tone chaser...

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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    It always seemed interesting that Clapton dismissed Ed's blues playing, while
    Jeff Beck stated that Eddie was a fantastic Blues player, underneath it all.
    I’ve always thought Clapton had some underlying jealousy of Ed. Not sure if it's ego or perhaps he was threatened a bit by his wizardry and technical ability that was so beyond anything he was comfortable with. Ed praised him from day one and Clapton in turn basically ignored Ed, almost dismissing him as a real force.

    Just my perception. Not based on anything specific I read or know. Although I have seen him be interviewed and when asked about Ed, he’s been far from even gracious. He’s the only guitar great I’ve seen almost be dismissive of Ed. Others like Billy Corrigan, Brian May, George Lynch and on and in, will talk forever about Ed’s brilliance.

    Maybe Clapton just doesn’t like Ed personally...

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    Then again, who cares what Clapton thinks of Ed. Ha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destructo3 View Post
    I’ve always thought Clapton had some underlying jealousy of Ed. Not sure if it's ego or perhaps he was threatened a bit by his wizardry and technical ability that was so beyond anything he was comfortable with. Ed praised him from day one and Clapton in turn basically ignored Ed, almost dismissing him as a real force.

    Just my perception. Not based on anything specific I read or know. Although I have seen him be interviewed and when asked about Ed, he’s been far from even gracious. He’s the only guitar great I’ve seen almost be dismissive of Ed. Others like Billy Corrigan, Brian May, George Lynch and on and in, will talk forever about Ed’s brilliance.

    Maybe Clapton just doesn’t like Ed personally...
    I always had the same impression.

    It's one thing not to like a particular style, but if the stylist is praising you
    and telling the world you were his main inspiration, you'd be less dismissive.

    I would think Ed's praise, Ed being THE guitar hero at that point in time, would
    be great for Eric's ego.

    Why not just say: It's a new playing style, and Ed has marvelous ability, and it's
    fantastic to hear how you inspired another player, and they went their own way with it.
    Graver, Walking Ed, refugee from CVH & proud tone chaser...

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    There were a number of big name guitarists who weren't thrilled when EVH burst on the scene and ate their lunches. Richie Blackmore, Joe Perry and Ted Nugent come to mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    There were a number of big name guitarists who weren't thrilled when EVH burst on the scene and ate their lunches. Richie Blackmore, Joe Perry and Ted Nugent come to mind.
    Ted was complimentary, as was Pat Travers.

    Blackmore & Perry, even Page, not so much.
    Graver, Walking Ed, refugee from CVH & proud tone chaser...

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    Ted? Wow, I’ve heard Ted talk effusively about Ed. Although this was more recently, not when they burst on the scene. One of the stories he tells is how excited he was to get the chance to play Ed’s guitar through Ed’s set-up before a show. He laughed that he expected to sound like Ed. Instead it sounded just like Ted Nugget. As he explained, Ed’s magic and ability to get sound that nobody else can comes from his hands. Clearly he’s changed his view of Ed over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    Ted was complimentary, as was Pat Travers.

    Blackmore & Perry, even Page, not so much.
    Yeah, my bad on Ted. I do recall a story of Van Halen blowing Ted off the stage when they opened for him and Ted saying he would never play on the same bill as VH again.
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    well that settles it, then. Please erase Eddie Van Halen's name from rock guitar history.

    EVH isn't even my favorite guitar player, but to say he didn't inspire an entire generation of people to play guitar (or heck, even air guitar) is a crime. He was innovative in every sense of the word.

 

 

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