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    That's not an easy job since there are lots of cool records well done and produced out there.

    - Van Halen - Van Halen (produced by Ted Templeman, engineered by Donn Landee)
    (IT'S DIFFICULT to overstate the effect VH's debut had upon its release. Kerrang - 1978 - And I agree!!)

    - 2 Low 4 Zero - Elton John (produced by Chris Thomas, mixed by Bill Price)
    (Excellent record! 2.L.4.0. put Elton back to the charts in the US after some so and so records (even though I enjoy Jump Up!))

    - Like a Virgin - Madonna (produced by Madonna & Nile Rodgers)
    (Another pop record that I do enjoy a lot - Madonna was a fan of Rodgers and Chic and he thought she was about to become a star and it was like a perfect match back in the day when WB told her she could work with Nile. I listen to tunes like Material Girl, Like a Virgin, Love Don't Live Here Anymore or Shoo Bee Doo and think that it was recorded by Chic (Nile, Edwards and Thompson). And there is more - Dave Weckl recorded the other drum parts (stuff like Angel, Dress you Up, Over & Over)!!

    - Screaming for Vengeance - Judas Priest (produced by Tom Allom)
    (Maybe not today, but back in the day this record had such an impact on me. Damn! They sounded much heavier than British Steel or Point of Entry and even more heavier than Iron Maiden did)

    - Led Zeppelin IV - Led Zep (produced by Jimmy Page, engineered by Andy Johns)
    (Page was already a monster as a producer and, to me, he went even further. He excelled what he did until IV. I enjoy a lot the diversity of the songs and the drum sounds they got on IV)

    - Peace Sells ... But Who's Buying? (produced by Dave Mustaine & Randy Burns, engineered by Randy Burns)
    (To me, PS... BWB is a milestone to the Thrash Metal music that was being made back to the mid 1980s. Jape mentioned Metallica's RTL and its heavy guitars and I agree, but I do not like the drum sounds in a few tunes. Maybe it was the studio or the way it was recorded. Whatever it is I do enjoy Gar's sound and what they got from his Black Beauty drum kit. IMHO, Peace Sells had almost everything to mess up (Chris and Gar were on heavy drugs, Mustaine and Dave Jr. were homeless). However, it was a success)
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    Quote Originally Posted by noise next door View Post
    I agree, the drum BUS compressor's attack and release settings are way too slow on that record overall. Might have been on purpose given Tom's wanting to highlight his new guitar tech and also the organ track issues.

    But, 99% of the people hearing the record will never notice stuff like this.
    Lol, your knowledge of the technical aspects of recording far surpasses mine, but to me the drums on Boston albums seem so "flat", for lack of a better term. Just no resonance to them to my ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Ribeiro View Post
    That's not an easy job since there are lots of cool records well done and produced out there.

    - Van Halen - Van Halen (produced by Ted Templeman, engineered by Donn Landee)
    (IT'S DIFFICULT to overstate the effect VH's debut had upon its release. Kerrang - 1978 - And I agree!!)

    - 2 Low 4 Zero - Elton John (produced by Chris Thomas, mixed by Bill Price)
    (Excellent record! 2.L.4.0. put Elton back to the charts in the US after some so and so records (even though I enjoy Jump Up!))

    - Like a Virgin - Madonna (produced by Madonna & Nile Rodgers)
    (Another pop record that I do enjoy a lot - Madonna was a fan of Rodgers and Chic and he thought she was about to become a star and it was like a perfect match back in the day when WB told her she could work with Nile. I listen to tunes like Material Girl, Like a Virgin, Love Don't Live Here Anymore or Shoo Bee Doo and think that it was recorded by Chic (Nile, Edwards and Thompson). And there is more - Dave Weckl recorded the other drum parts (stuff like Angel, Dress you Up, Over & Over)!!

    - Screaming for Vengeance - Judas Priest (produced by Tom Allom)
    (Maybe not today, but back in the day this record had such an impact on me. Damn! They sounded much heavier than British Steel or Point of Entry and even more heavier than Iron Maiden did)

    - Led Zeppelin IV - Led Zep (produced by Jimmy Page, engineered by Andy Johns)
    (Page was already a monster as a producer and, to me, he went even further. He excelled what he did until IV. I enjoy a lot the diversity of the songs and the drum sounds they got on IV)

    - Peace Sells ... But Who's Buying? (produced by Dave Mustaine & Randy Burns, engineered by Randy Burns)
    (To me, PS... BWB is a milestone to the Thrash Metal music that was being made back to the mid 1980s. Jape mentioned Metallica's RTL and its heavy guitars and I agree, but I do not like the drum sounds in a few tunes. Maybe it was the studio or the way it was recorded. Whatever it is I do enjoy Gar's sound and what they got from his Black Beauty drum kit. IMHO, Peace Sells had almost everything to mess up (Chris and Gar were on heavy drugs, Mustaine and Dave Jr. were homeless). However, it was a success)
    The bass drum sound on LZIV is THE bass drum sound I wish was on VH tracks like Mean Street. Fair Warning is one of the best produced albums, but I just wish there was a little more "boom" in Al's kick on a few of the tracks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUNGLE DRUMMER View Post
    I know a lot of people LOVE the production on Boston albums, but man, there's always been something so "sterile" about them to me. I just dont dig the drum sound on those albums, though I do like Boston a lot. Hard to explain.
    I agree, some great songs for sure, but it's all very sterile. Even the so called classic Scholz guitar tone, it's so over processed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalFB View Post
    I agree, some great songs for sure, but it's all very sterile. Even the so called classic Scholz guitar tone, it's so over processed.
    YES! I actually didnt want to be the one to say that. I'm glad a guitarist said it.

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    I'm glad I posted this question! I'm hearing things I'd never heard of or ever looked into!

    A long time ago a friend had the DVD of "The Making of Aja," and told me it was supposed to be the best-produced record ever. I guess at the time I wasn't into such things and thought, "It sounds okay, I guess?" Now that I looked up that Donald Fagen "Nightfly" album -- WHOA! That's unbelievable! I'm going to have to dial up that one and Aja and give them a real listen.

    I think I remember hearing of Eve 6 before? I guess they came out back around Blink 182 and Maroon 5 and when C.C. DeVille had Samantha 7? One of those number bands? I'll have to listen to that closer, too.

    Thanks for all these great answers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtyBoy View Post
    I'm glad I posted this question! I'm hearing things I'd never heard of or ever looked into!

    A long time ago a friend had the DVD of "The Making of Aja," and told me it was supposed to be the best-produced record ever. I guess at the time I wasn't into such things and thought, "It sounds okay, I guess?" Now that I looked up that Donald Fagen "Nightfly" album -- WHOA! That's unbelievable! I'm going to have to dial up that one and Aja and give them a real listen.

    I think I remember hearing of Eve 6 before? I guess they came out back around Blink 182 and Maroon 5 and when C.C. DeVille had Samantha 7? One of those number bands? I'll have to listen to that closer, too.

    Thanks for all these great answers!
    "There's plenty of room in the record stores, and room for everybody on tour..." - DLR.
    Plenty of great music out there in multiple genres that sounds great.

    I love the slick and modern production of 'Radio Free America', the solo album Sambora did with Orianthi. Some great songs (even a Sonny & Cher cover) and emotive singing/playing by both of them.

    To your OP, the sounds and tones are impeccable IMO. And that's coming from a guy who couldn't stand Orianthi before this... Haha.
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    Man, that Boston album has slick guitar tones.

    This was 1976, and Scholz created a singular tone that was like a spaceship.

    You can claim it's over processed in 2019, but back then, it was ground breaking.
    I love the chorus/distortion mix, and i still love the drums all over the debut.
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    From the same year, i think, i also really love the production on BOC's "Agents of fortune."

    There's a cool, semi dissonant thing happening there.
    Another one that sounded incredible on vinyl through huge 70's speakers.
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    yeah, i'm shocked at the negative comments about Boston, but then I don't play an instrument so what do I know? Sometimes I think about getting the remastered version, but why? I think it sounds fine as is. The instruments are clear and the mix seems fine. Something like Who's Next - don't get me wrong - great album - but always sounded kind of muddy and dull to me.
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    now, Third Stage on the other hand - if they wanted to remaster that I think I'd be okay with it
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