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    Quote Originally Posted by EJC View Post
    I've never been a big Aerosmith fan, but they certainly knew how to stay relevant over the last 40+ years. I think it comes down to management. Whatever VH's net worth is, it could easily be 3x what it is if they were willing to cede some power and let someone tell them what to do from say like 1995 on.

    The members of the Iron Maiden's AC/DCs, Aerosmith's, Metallica's. KISS etc. understand that they are all just small components of an enormous money making machine that spans different generations. The Van Halen business model over the last quarter century has basically been "we do what we want, when we want - if you don't like it, we don't care". Which basically brings us to where we are now. I personally wouldn't care about the $$ so maybe they don't either... I mean at 60+, what is the difference between 80mill and 240mill. It's still more than you will ever ever need over multiple generations if its invested properly for even the most lavish Southern California lifestyle.

    I think my 1st post regarding Dave's Vegas trip was to the effect of "get some guys who can play - don't try to save money on this - it's your last shot". I'm still sticking to that. Start with ONE guitar player that knows VH inside out. There's tons of them out there. Build around that. IF you need a couple hot girls ala Crue singing backup to make it work, do it. It's not an entire tour, its what 9 or 10 shows? Roth can afford to pay good musicians. The website needs to show who is in this band. Tix are $90. Not "Sting" prices, but not bottom tier either - and more than I've ever spent on tix for Van Halen. I would love for him to release a more professional video of this band sometime before years end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Get The Show On The Road View Post
    I don't think that's even close to their most famous song. And it's a cover.

    Dream On, Walk This Way weren't written with outside writers.
    Probably not their most famous, but sadly, I believe it is their only #1 hit.

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    If Steven Tyler was sitting on my front porch when I walked outside to get my mail, I wouldn't even know what to say to him. "What's up bro?"

    I would love to know what someone who pays upwards of $1500 says to him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJC View Post
    If Steven Tyler was sitting on my front porch when I walked outside to get my mail, I wouldn't even know what to say to him. "What's up bro?"

    I would love to know what someone who pays upwards of $1500 says to him...
    “Hi” that’s about it. Go up, take the pic, out.
    †"He has a swaggering retro machismo that will give hives to the Steinem cabal" -Camille Paglia on Donald Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Van Squalen View Post
    The caliber and type of mngs varies from artist to artist. Some are cattle call 30 second photo op cash grabs, certainly. Some artists you actually get to hang with, chat, have a full conversation or two. It depends on how itís set up both by the artist manager and the promoter. The ones that donít charge are usually much better obviously.

    One of the best meet n greets I ever had was Alicia Keys. She was lovely and genuinely invested in meeting her fans. We chatted for a good 20 minutes with her, drank some wine, talked about the current industry trends, got a photo, she signed our tickets, she was great. Won that MnG on a website contest.

    Sam and Mike are pretty great at mngs. Theyíre always accommodating and personable. Iíve met them backstage or at private events many times.

    I think the most cattle call mng I had was with Billy Idol and Steve Stevens. I didnít pay for it, but most ppl there did, and it was 400 a pop for a photo and a handshake and boom that was it no chit chat nada. I hear Ozzy does it the same way.

    I finally met Geddy on his book signing tour earlier this year. Wasnít quite a MNG but we did chat for a few minutes about Rushís retirement lol. No photos allowed, alas.

    I dunno if Iíd pay to meet Eddie or not. Maybe. Depends on the context. But maybe not at all. Sometimes itís better not to meet your heroes. I couldíve met him a dozen times over by now if Iíd approached him in domestic settings around SoCal, but I refuse to do that with celebrities.
    Yeah, there are famous people I'd like to meet if I could somehow have an actual conversation with them, but I've never cared enough about celebrity-hood to want to brag I shook someone's hand or something, and I damn sure wouldn't pay to meet anyone (but have no problem understanding why people do). I've had opportunities in airports and places like that where I just chose not to approach. A friend of mine's band played the Horseshoe Casino in Shreveport a few weeks ago and George Strait was there for a little while just sitting at a table kind of hidden in the back. About an hour in people started realizing it and approaching him and he quickly made his way out and I saw security escorting him down the hall. He just wanted to be a guy in the crowd and have a drink and people wouldn't leave him alone. I couldn't do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUNGLE DRUMMER View Post
    Probably not their most famous, but sadly, I believe it is their only #1 hit.
    Yeah, sometimes perception doesn't match the chart numbers. I don't think any casual fan, or even most hardcore fans, of Rush would guess that their highest charting single is New World Man. So I guess that's technically their biggest "hit". But it didn't have nearly as much lasting effect as many others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJC View Post
    If Steven Tyler was sitting on my front porch when I walked outside to get my mail, I wouldn't even know what to say to him. "What's up bro?"

    I would love to know what someone who pays upwards of $1500 says to him...
    Haha. Most people who do MnGs are fanboying the fuck out. They can barely get words out, they're so starstruck. The ones that can, especially the guys, usually ask something inappropriate, particularly if alcohol was consumed during the pre-show VIP gatherings. Some people try to get a 'scoop.'

    I would fuckin' hate doing MnGs if I were a worldwide famous artist. With the advent of VIPNation and Live Nation's promoter blitz the last 15 years, artists are doing MnG's more and more often, for high prices. It's all about the dough. It's the B List acts that really are capitalizing on that ticket package perk. Cheap Trick, ZZ Top, Journey, Foreigner, nostalgic 80s and 90s acts. Most higher tier acts will offer plenty of VIP upgrades through LN these days, but without the artists' having to do MnGs...swag bags, premium seats, early access, VIP lounges and bars, that sort of thing.

    Rush did it right. Sparingly, a few people a show, never a charge.

    LOL. I remember a buddy of mine asking during the last Sabbath tour if I thought buying an Ozzy meet n' greet package was worth it for 2k. I thought 2k was excessive, but I know there are plenty of Oz fans that do it. Just outta curiosity, I looked up his current solo tour VIP offering at its highest tier...this is what Ozzy will provide for ya currently, at 2250 a person:

    Ultimate Experience Package ($2250.00)
    Each Ozzy Osbourne Ultimate Experience Package includes:

    In Arenas: One reserved ticket in Sect 1 or Sect 2 in rows A-B on the floor
    Personal photo opportunity with Ozzy Osbourne!
    Access to the Ozzy Osbourne Soundcheck Experience
    Go behind the scenes and ASK ANYTHING at the very intimate VIP Q&A session with Ozzy Osbourne... in his dressing room! (small cameras allowed)
    Access to the exclusive VIP pre-show reception with appetizers, beer, wine, and soft drinks
    One VIP parking space per order
    Collectible 2019 Ozzy Osbourne VIP gift item
    Official Ozzy Osbourne Meet & Greet Laminate and backstage dressing room wristband
    Commemorative Ozzy Osbourne 2019 concert ticket
    Access to fast pass merchandise shopping
    On-site VIP host


    So for over 2 grand, you can meet the Prince of Darkness, ask him a question, get a photo with him, get to sit in the front row, check out sound check, get some pub food and beer beforehand, free parking.

    Would I do that for Eddie Van Halen, presuming he was playing with one of the two VH lineups that I personally enjoy?

    Hmm. Given that front row tickets for VH average out at 1k or more...without all the stuff....given that I'd have to pay twice because I'd have to take my chica...so really it'd be 4500 for me to do an ultimate VIP Van Halen experience, not 2250....whew. That's a lot. I dunno. Maybe. If it was an official farewell for sure this is the last time tour, with Mike playing bass, with Dave or Sam singing...I might. One would hope that VH wouldn't be charging Ozzy prices for a similar experience, but who knows.

    I think the most I've ever paid for any concert were the two Police reunion shows I attended in '07/'08, and a pair of front row center tix for the Rush Time Machine Tour in '10. The front row San Diego VH show in '07 for Dave's initial return was fairly pricey as well. Concerts are premium experiences even for the nosebleeds these days. That's why I've been trying to tier back my live gigs to clubs and sheds. Arena rock has become pretty corporate, but Gen X and the boomers are still shelling out top dollar for their nostalgia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdog View Post
    Yeah, there are famous people I'd like to meet if I could somehow have an actual conversation with them, but I've never cared enough about celebrity-hood to want to brag I shook someone's hand or something, and I damn sure wouldn't pay to meet anyone (but have no problem understanding why people do). I've had opportunities in airports and places like that where I just chose not to approach. A friend of mine's band played the Horseshoe Casino in Shreveport a few weeks ago and George Strait was there for a little while just sitting at a table kind of hidden in the back. About an hour in people started realizing it and approaching him and he quickly made his way out and I saw security escorting him down the hall. He just wanted to be a guy in the crowd and have a drink and people wouldn't leave him alone. I couldn't do that.
    Oh yeah, fuck that. Hounding celebs when they're present somewhere not in an official capacity is lame fanboy shit. Leave them alone. They're just trying to live their lives. People need to self control that stuff. Just because someone's famous doesn't give you a license to impose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJC View Post
    I've never been a big Aerosmith fan, but they certainly knew how to stay relevant over the last 40+ years. I think it comes down to management. Whatever VH's net worth is, it could easily be 3x what it is if they were willing to cede some power and let someone tell them what to do from say like 1995 on.
    Not just net worth, but cultural relevance as well.

    If VH let somebody competent run the show from '95 on there would've been better product placement (movies), they would've shown up on American freakin' Idol, and the kiddos today would hold them in the same regard as Aerosmith, AC/DC, GnR, etc.

    But they screwed the pooch in terms of cementing their legacy - and it was while they were in the home stretch. They achieved what an infinitesimal fraction of the population has been able to do by changing music forever and finding success with not one, but two iterations of the band.

    That's the greatest tragedy of VH's story, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi McFly View Post

    That's the greatest tragedy of VH's story, IMO.
    Really?

    I think the greatest tragedy of VH's story was photoshopping Mike off two album covers, and the unceremoniously offensive way they handled his exit. That one really just shaded the entire fuckin' tale.

    The second greatest tragedy was cockblocking their fans, and Roth himself, in '96 of course, then going with Cherone.

    Those two parts of the long 40 year tale are the most sordid, I think.

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    Photoshoppin' Mike, his unceremonious exit, etc... all that shit wouldn't have happened if they were properly managed in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi McFly View Post
    Not just net worth, but cultural relevance as well.

    If VH let somebody competent run the show from '95 on there would've been better product placement (movies), they would've shown up on American freakin' Idol, and the kiddos today would hold them in the same regard as Aerosmith, AC/DC, GnR, etc.

    But they screwed the pooch in terms of cementing their legacy - and it was while they were in the home stretch. They achieved what an infinitesimal fraction of the population has been able to do by changing music forever and finding success with not one, but two iterations of the band.

    That's the greatest tragedy of VH's story, IMO.
    I completely agree with ya!
    Not everyone will feel the same, of course, yet to me VH was well on the way to being ranked closer to Zeppelin etc. Like you said, two hugely successful eras of the band. Most don't know (or care?) about the album cover incident, "The Book", and stuff we do.

    They sure know the hits on the radio, though! That and the other songs on the albums they loved and partied to etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi McFly View Post
    Photoshoppin' Mike, his unceremonious exit, etc... all that shit wouldn't have happened if they were properly managed in the first place.

    LOL. Come on, man. The VH toilet didn't flush because of Azoff. His umbrella successfully manages any number of legacy acts including the Eagles and Bon Jovi.

    All that shit happened because of the guitarist, and not any other person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Van Squalen View Post
    LOL. Come on, man. The VH toilet didn't flush because of Azoff. His umbrella successfully manages any number of legacy acts including the Eagles and Bon Jovi.

    All that shit happened because of the guitarist, and not any other person.
    I get that. But Azoff didn't enter the picture till later, maybe the mid 2000s? Had they been properly managed from '95 onward then they likely wouldn't have been on the path that led to those events.

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