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    Quote Originally Posted by JUNGLE DRUMMER View Post
    Green Day blows.
    I agree. I can't stand them, but 30 years later they're still relevant to some. Just like VH is to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Van Squalen View Post
    Contrary to modern preferences, there was a time when folks didnít worry about capturing moments for posterity. They just lived IN the moment.

    There is no video or bootleg that adequately renders the essence of live Van Halen. Not LWAN, not Largo Ď82, nothing.

    Fuck bootlegs.

    Concerts are in the moment experiences. All else is just television.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naked Wake View Post
    I agree. I can't stand them, but 30 years later they're still relevant to some. Just like VH is to us.
    Oh theyre definitely popular. But they still blow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RRvh1 View Post
    Listening to disc one (Since I've Been Loving You, currently) of How the West Was Won.

    Zeppelin? Christ, they were good!
    Yeah! AMAZING band. Best band ever in my humble opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicholas_kudochop View Post
    Yeah! AMAZING band. Best band ever in my humble opinion.
    They are the golden gods of hard rock for a reason.

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    The first few years, they just can't be touched.
    If I don't respond to you it means I have you on ignore, which means you are a douchenozzle.

    Emperor Brett - "I can't believe you guys are analyzing song-by-song Van Halen III? What next, analyzing the script of Stroker Ace looking for some shred of Citizen Kane?"

    David Lee Roth did the impossible. He made Van Halen better. Deal with it!

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    Hurricane Halen - Let's all gingery touch our sword tips!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    The first few years, they just can't be touched.
    Their reputation and commonly regarded status still can't be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RRvh1 View Post
    This footage is obviously great, yet I'd love to have backyard parties etc. stuff to view. Or did Dr. Roth or Lisa not think to get a few clips from the basement? Haha.

    How did Ted, Gene, Paul, various old friends and roadies, Hell, rival band members not think to whip out a video camera or something?

    Many clamor for Oakland '81, and I'd surely buy it as well, yet the very early club days stuff would be off the charts for me! Starting with the Whiskey '77/'78. VH had just been signed, 'Edward was on his way to being a game changer, and it was their last club appearance... How the heck did that show not get even a bit of video footage or at least a decent audio recording?

    The audio bootleg remains my favorite to this day, yet I wish it was even more sonically clear.
    Of alllll those '73-'77 audio bootlegs...not one split-second of video.
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    It's a definitely a damn shame that nothing was pro filmed. I don't think young kids have any clue what a real honest to God rock band sounds like now. So many people do shows now reading cues off of ipads and stuff it's just lame. This is rock and roll at it's finest. It also shows how good Dave was back in the day and IMO the breakdown in YRGM shows just how good of a bass player Mike is. I really think that he was told to dumb down his playing in later years. If someone watches this video and still doesn't think that Mike mattered in this band then I would think they need their head examined. The background vocals were just a total bonus on top of his great bass playing IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Van Hampshire View Post
    It's a definitely a damn shame that nothing was pro filmed. I don't think young kids have any clue what a real honest to God rock band sounds like now. So many people do shows now reading cues off of ipads and stuff it's just lame. This is rock and roll at it's finest. It also shows how good Dave was back in the day and IMO the breakdown in YRGM shows just how good of a bass player Mike is. I really think that he was told to dumb down his playing in later years. If someone watches this video and still doesn't think that Mike mattered in this band then I would think they need their head examined. The background vocals were just a total bonus on top of his great bass playing IMO.
    Mike had to have been told by someone to dumb down his playing in latter years.

    All of the demos and club shows before the debut album feature a lot more intricate bass work than what ended up on any of the albums. And to me it added to the sound of the band so why he was told to tone it down is a mystery to me.
    The only genre I really know is Van Halen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFVH5150 View Post
    Of alllll those '73-'77 audio bootlegs...not one split-second of video.
    Well...... No Circulated video in the public.

    Who knows what is in Ed's Vault or in the hands of bootleg hoarders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Get The Show On The Road View Post
    Mike had to have been told by someone to dumb down his playing in latter years.

    All of the demos and club shows before the debut album feature a lot more intricate bass work than what ended up on any of the albums. And to me it added to the sound of the band so why he was told to tone it down is a mystery to me.
    Also on the first two or three tours, he wasnt doing the root 8ths on so many songs. Those YRGM jams, particularly the Tuscon 79, towards the end of the VHII tour he really shines. Just like there really isnt a full album that shows the way Alex played live on those early tours, the same goes for Mike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUNGLE DRUMMER View Post
    Also on the first two or three tours, he wasnt doing the root 8ths on so many songs. Those YRGM jams, particularly the Tuscon 79, towards the end of the VHII tour he really shines. Just like there really isnt a full album that shows the way Alex played live on those early tours, the same goes for Mike.
    Producers almost always have the musicians pull back in the studio for the sake of the "song". Yeah it's cool as shit to hear everybody going off live, but on record it wouldn't have been as "commercial". Radio format liked nice, tight, clean 3-4 minute songs that had a clear melody, catchy chorus - and everyone staying in their lane.

    That's what makes live albums (if not completely doctored), and even more-so the live concert experience so much better than the studio work.

    I think I remember a quote from the early 80s from either Dave or Eddie to the effect of: "Most bands tour to promote their studio albums. We just record studio albums so we can tour...."

    Of course there is the whole business end of that, but I see what they were getting at. They weren't trying to create the next "Dark Side of the Moon"

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    Live albums better than the studio work? Nah. Very few bands have pulled off live albums that were actually better than the OG studio work. Cheap Trick did it. Once, with Budokan. Short of that...not too many others.

    Live albums are facsimile representations of experiences that should've been witnessed firsthand, ideally. Pale shadows.

    Only a handful of old school live albums are worth a damn. Live at Leeds. Certifiable. Folsom Prison. Exit Stage Left. Frampton Comes Alive.

    The only time I like audience noise incorporated in my tunes is when I'm there. In my truck, not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJC View Post
    Producers almost always have the musicians pull back in the studio for the sake of the "song". Yeah it's cool as shit to hear everybody going off live, but on record it wouldn't have been as "commercial". Radio format liked nice, tight, clean 3-4 minute songs that had a clear melody, catchy chorus - and everyone staying in their lane.

    That's what makes live albums (if not completely doctored), and even more-so the live concert experience so much better than the studio work.

    ~E
    True. Which is why it's such a damn shame that we dont have any official live albums and concert videos from those early tours.

 

 

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