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    Today's new thread started by Little Dreamer with the interview from 2014 with Sammy Hagar got me thinking about some hypothetical questions. The interviewer mentioned how he was 8 years old the first time he heard Jump. In general, a great deal of our VH fandom has been shaped by our history with the band. Some of us older fans have been around since the release of the debut album in 1978. There are probably some fans on here that saw VH play at backyard parties and in clubs before they were even signed by WB. On the other end of the spectrum, there are some fans on here that weren't even born before 1990. Which leads me to the following queries:

    If the David Lee Roth era of Van Halen had never existed and 5150 had been their debut album, how would your VH fandom be different than it is today? Would they still be your favorite band? If not, who would be and why? Remember that in this scenario there was no DLR era of VH. When answering these questions, try to recall the musical landscape in March of 1986. If you're not old enough to remember, I truly envy your youth.
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    If 5150 was the first, i'm gonna have to be honest, and say i would have
    probably just had passing interest in them.

    The band i loved was the one crafting the six pack, with my biggest
    impact relating to VHII, WACF, FW & the originals on Diver Down.

    I can appreciate 5150 & OU812 now, but back then, i was kinda half intrigued.

    FUCK & Balance, just weren't albums that resonated on my end.
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    I realize that this scenario has its flaws because 5150 might have been a completely different album if there had never been VHI through 1984. Maybe the music from Eruption, Unchained and Hot For Teacher show up on 5150.
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    They probably would still be my favorite band.
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    It's hard for me to say if they would have still been my favorite band. I dig 5150, but one of the main reasons I fell in love with VH was Eddie Van Halen's insane guitar playing. Eddie displays some great riffs and solos on 5150, but the album is also heavy on keyboards.

    So, what other bands were killing it in 1986?
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    I would not have been a fan. The question is how they would have gotten a deal since the brothers had to be dragged by Dave out of the garage? Plus it was Edward's guitar playing in the 70's was what got them the attention as it was just beyond what folks imagined at the time. In 86 that was peak guitar god era so the impact of the 5150 guitar material why very strong might not have been as attention grabbing as seeing Eruption during the early disco days of the mid 70s. Plus how many non hair bands got deals in 86? If they did hypothetically get a deal and had the same success their legacy would be interesting given bands like Poison who had the closest comparable sales pattern during then did not age well. 5150 is an 80's sounding record sonically, if they did not have the legacy and brand would they have aged as well? In general the 70's bands seem to have aged better than the 80s bands in regard to legacy. VH with 5150 as debut would be an 80s band,

    It is a bit unfair. They were 30 somethings already married etc... so Edward of course would not play with the same hunger as a teenage early 20s version. From there a lot of dominos fall that would not be fair to 5150 as a starting point.
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    Zeppelin was long gone by 1986. Aerosmith peaked in the 1970s. Cheap Trick went downhill after Dream Police in 1979. So did the Stones after Tattoo You and ACDC with For Those About To Rock in 1981. The last really good Cars album was Heartbeat City in 1984. The Police disbanded in 1986. I can't imagine ever hitching my wagon to the likes of Motely Crue, RATT or Poison. Metallica, Megadeth and Slayer were never my thing.

    There was a pretty rockin' album released in July 1987 …
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    Likely wouldn't be a fan. In the mid 80s i was mainly introduced to bands via music videos. I would have barely heard them til when it's love and figured them to be firehouse if that was my first impression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    Zeppelin was long gone by 1986. Aerosmith peaked in the 1970s. Cheap Trick went downhill after Dream Police. So did the Stones after Tattoo You in and ACDC with For Those About To Rock in 1981. The last really good Cars album was Heartbeat City in 1984. The Police disbanded in 1986. I can't imagine ever hitching my wagon to the likes of Motely Crue, RATT or Poison. Metallica, Megadeth and Slayer were never my thing.

    There was a pretty rockin' album released in July 1987 …
    The guys who made that album in 1987 would probably be my favorite band now if VH started with 5150 because they were my favorite band when I bought FUCK and it wasn't until I discovered the back catalog that VH overtook them.

    They've wasted just as much time as VH. But that album is one of the greatest debut albums in rock history along with VHI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Get The Show On The Road View Post
    The guys who made that album in 1987 would probably be my favorite band now if VH started with 5150 because they were my favorite band when I bought FUCK and it wasn't until I discovered the back catalog that VH overtook them.

    They've wasted just as much time as VH. But that album is one of the greatest debut albums in rock history along with VHI.
    I agree. That album hit like a sledgehammer.
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    Wouldn’t be a fan.
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    That's tough to say. As much as I loved Van Hagar as a teenager and in my early 20s, that era just hasn't aged as well and Sam's big mouth hasn't helped a bit.

    As much as most people hate them here, Tool probably wouldve become my favorite band, as I listen to them more than anything except Dave era VH.

    Although, ever since Mrs JD brought me out of the Stone Age and put all VH onto an ipod for me, I have been listening to the Sam era more often than the previous 10 or so years. And people can accuse me of not being a fan all they want, I do like everything from that era with the exception of about 7-8 songs.

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    I'd be a fan, but I sure wouldn't be posting on a fan forum of theirs in 2019.

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    I was late to the game... my first VH concert was 2004. Really started getting into VH in about 98'. At the time I was learning how to play the guitar and was really into Led Zeppelin and SRV. I bought the first VH album and it blew me away.. Eruption and Ice Cream Man got me hooked. I'd heard the Sammy singles and while I thought they were good, they didn't really do a whole lot for me. I agree with xk319, if it were only the Sammy stuff, I'd like them, but wouldn't nearly be the fan I am today.. and my playing style would be much different as well. A great question to show just how much of an influence the Roth era was. It's like the Sammy era was the worlds best vanilla ice cream, but the Roth era is the worlds best neapolitan WITH chocolate sauce before the world new what either was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    I realize that this scenario has its flaws because 5150 might have been a completely different album if there had never been VHI through 1984. Maybe the music from Eruption, Unchained and Hot For Teacher show up on 5150.
    Or it could've been way more synthy/pop/electronic drum sounding. Argh that would've sucked.

 

 

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