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    Quote Originally Posted by JUNGLE DRUMMER View Post
    Lol, sorry, but it's never even remotely sounded like that to me. It wasnt until we had a debate on here a few months ago that I ever knew anyone actually thought it was "makes the rules". That is just a head scratcher.
    Yeah, i never heard that either until folks started mentioning "rules" on here.

    I always heard: It makes me blue...

    I remember thinking, way back then: That's kind of an odd lyric, but kinda cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    Yeah, i never heard that either until folks started mentioning "rules" on here.

    I always heard: It makes me blue...

    I remember thinking, way back then: That's kind of an odd lyric, but kinda cool.
    Also, on I believe the last chorus, Dave echos Mike and Ed's vocals with "made so blue" just before they go into the outro.

    Yep, it is odd, or a "unique", choice for that lyric to rhyme with fools and also cool that he didnt go with something more obvious. Dave has always had a knack for that. Another reason why it always puzzles me when people say they dont care at all about VH lyrics. Not sure how you could not give a rat's ass about the lyrics by your favorite band, and I do have a theory lol, but to each their own it's all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUNGLE DRUMMER View Post
    Also, on I believe the last chorus, Dave echos Mike and Ed's vocals with "made so blue" just before they go into the outro.

    Yep, it is odd, or a "unique", choice for that lyric to rhyme with fools and also cool that he didnt go with something more obvious. Dave has always had a knack for that. Another reason why it always puzzles me when people say they dont care at all about VH lyrics. Not sure how you could not give a rat's ass about the lyrics by your favorite band, and I do have a theory lol, but to each their own it's all good.
    Always loved Dave's lyrics, and it was another thing i caught onto quick.

    My first VH album was WACF, and i remember hearing these words in RD & Cradle,
    and thinking: This guy's skipping school, hanging out with girls & drinking his parent's whisky...

    You know, that little kid perspective.

    He was conversational and wild, and had this cool vibe that was different to
    the singer's of the day.
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    If Iím not mistaken, Ed used Chris Holmesís Ibanez destroyer on the record. You can tell on take your whiskey home. Itís just hotter than Romeo delight. It sounds raw as fuck. Thereís very few sounds that Iíve heard that I canít replicate. His tone on that song is one.


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    He said he used the Destroyer on Romeo Delight, also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    Yeah, i never heard that either until folks started mentioning "rules" on here.

    I always heard: It makes me blue...

    I remember thinking, way back then: That's kind of an odd lyric, but kinda cool.
    I think the natural reaction is that the lyrics are "Who makes the rules? Fools, I live with fools."

    But the it makes me blue line makes sense in context.

    It makes me blue that there's so many stupid people, or fools, running around in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    Listen to Ed's quivering note, right before Dave goes: Ahhhh, ha ha ha!

    How does he do that?

    I played "Fools" today, and listen to his chords, when he pulls the volume back up,
    after the Ed/Dave intro.

    I'm sorry, but all his Wolfgangs & EVH amps, DO NOT match what he got with that
    Marshall Plexi & homemade guitar & Destroyer.

    He had the most organic, HUGE, human like tone, i've ever heard.

    And that unaccompanied solo at the top, he never let's up.
    He's playing so fast & aggressively, but he's still manipulating the tones
    with random palm mutes and altering his pick attack.

    But he's doing this, while his left hand is blazing.
    The Marshall was not a high gain amp. That's why he got that tone out of it when he cranked it all the way up and then lowered the output with the variac.

    The biggest mistake people make when playing the early material is slathering on the distortion and the phaser. He never used the fucking phaser on the rhythm stuff, it was strictly used to give some punch to the solos.

    His tone was actually pretty clean and just highly overdriven because he had the amp cranked all the way up, but it was not high gain. That's why he could get the clean tones when he rolled the volume knob down like during the ATBL breakdown for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Get The Show On The Road View Post
    I think the natural reaction is that the lyrics are "Who makes the rules? Fools, I live with fools."

    But the it makes me blue line makes sense in context.

    It makes me blue that there's so many stupid people, or fools, running around in the world.
    I always heard "Blue," which i thought sounded kinda 70's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Get The Show On The Road View Post
    I think the natural reaction is that the lyrics are "Who makes the rules? Fools, I live with fools."

    But the it makes me blue line makes sense in context.

    It makes me blue that there's so many stupid people, or fools, running around in the world.
    But it doesnt even sound like who makes the rules.

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    I got to run with Whiskey on this end. Always seems to me that they just sat in the room and knocked it out. Obviously not, but it reads and sounds that way. Makes the story better and makes the song better. So I've got that going for me. Out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Get The Show On The Road View Post
    The Marshall was not a high gain amp. That's why he got that tone out of it when he cranked it all the way up and then lowered the output with the variac.

    The biggest mistake people make when playing the early material is slathering on the distortion and the phaser. He never used the fucking phaser on the rhythm stuff, it was strictly used to give some punch to the solos.

    His tone was actually pretty clean and just highly overdriven because he had the amp cranked all the way up, but it was not high gain. That's why he could get the clean tones when he rolled the volume knob down like during the ATBL breakdown for example.
    So true.

    It's funny how, when you're a kid, you hear this great EVH tone, you understand it,
    yet still layer on the distortion when trying to emulate it.

    I think it's because it just sounds so big, not super clean or jangly, like the early
    days of Rock (listen to the first Aerosmith record, really clean tones).

    But it's cranked & breaking up, punchy as hell, yet still sounds somewhat saturated.

    Listen to those opening chords to SGMAD, great example.

    Before hearing that (VH II), i had never heard such a gigantic, hard rock guitar
    tone before.
    I only knew Nugent, AC/DC, Aerosmith, etc.

    I remember thinking: I've never heard such a heavy guitar tone before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    He said he used the Destroyer on Romeo Delight, also.
    Romeo delight has him using the tremolo so I donít think thatís accurate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    So true.

    It's funny how, when you're a kid, you hear this great EVH tone, you understand it,
    yet still layer on the distortion when trying to emulate it.

    I think it's because it just sounds so big, not super clean or jangly, like the early
    days of Rock (listen to the first Aerosmith record, really clean tones).

    But it's cranked & breaking up, punchy as hell, yet still sounds somewhat saturated.

    Listen to those opening chords to SGMAD, great example.

    Before hearing that (VH II), i had never heard such a gigantic, hard rock guitar
    tone before.
    I only knew Nugent, AC/DC, Aerosmith, etc.

    I remember thinking: I've never heard such a heavy guitar tone before.
    I got the same feeling for VH1. Never have or have since heard a tone like VH1.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fudd View Post
    Romeo delight has him using the tremolo so I donít think thatís accurate.


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    I don't hear any tremolo on there, though he does a lot of hardcore bends
    and aggressive finger slides.

    In that Rosen interview with Guitar World in '85, he mentioned that
    Romeo Delight was the destroyer.

    But with Ed, who knows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    I don't hear any tremolo on there, though he does a lot of hardcore bends
    and aggressive finger slides.

    In that Rosen interview with Guitar World in '85, he mentioned that
    Romeo Delight was the destroyer.

    But with Ed, who knows?
    Thereís a little. He may have used the franky to overdub the solo but thereís a little on it.


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