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    Quote Originally Posted by JUNGLE DRUMMER View Post
    You want another great jazz drummer who played with two of the most famous bandleaders, Art, there was the criminally forgotten Rufus "Speedy" Jones who played with Duke Ellington and Count Basie. His high sticking and cross sticking was the stuff of legends, and his nickname fit him, as he truly was one of the fastest cats to ever sit behind a kit. Also one of the early double bass players. These two videos arent too long, but they give you an idea of what I'm talking about.
    Holy shit! Thanks for that! I'm no drummer, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone play like that, even Charlie Benante or Dave Lombardo, without hearing the sticks click together somewhere. That guys' raising the sticks over his head and STILL sounds like a jet engine! And he's doing it in a sports coat!

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    Sadly, Rufus ended his days in obscurity as a bathroom attendant in Las Vegas casinos
    Wow. That's why when people say, "Eddie HAD to be famous!," I know they've got to be a bit naive. Like Speedy Jones, Eddie could've been a guy that people would say, "I saw this guy one time who was amazing. Eddie something, a local guy in Pasadena. Yeah, well anyhow, he was great." I've seen that a few times in my life, guys who are mind blowing and playing to 10 people watching sports on the TV over the bar. Being good or even great does not guarantee success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtyBoy View Post
    Holy shit! Thanks for that! I'm no drummer, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone play like that, even Charlie Benante or Dave Lombardo, without hearing the sticks click together somewhere. That guys' raising the sticks over his head and STILL sounds like a jet engine! And he's doing it in a sports coat!



    Wow. That's why when people say, "Eddie HAD to be famous!," I know they've got to be a bit naive. Like Speedy Jones, Eddie could've been a guy that people would say, "I saw this guy one time who was amazing. Eddie something, a local guy in Pasadena. Yeah, well anyhow, he was great." I've seen that a few times in my life, guys who are mind blowing and playing to 10 people watching sports on the TV over the bar. Being good or even great does not guarantee success.
    Yep, that was part of why he was revered in the 50s and 60s, his ability to maintain such incredible speed even while having his sticks so high. Just amazing stick control.

    Sadly, Rufus is actually a prime example of what Alex was talking about when he was talking about what happened to Jan and a lot of the jazz musicians when the big bands basically died out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    I believe Dave has final say on the setlist.
    I think because some nights he knew he couldn't sing certain songs.

    The WTF interview was the best Dave has given in years and it was nice to see him enjoying himself too. His mantra about singing at his best so as to avoid being sent up the chimney was interesting... On the last tour it really didn't always seem as though he was trying his hardest, but maybe he was after all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    Well if they wanted, they could do a cool Hagar setlist with Summer Nights, AFU, Seventh Seal, Won't Get Fooled Again, etc. The material is there. All you need is the will to do it.

    Apparently with Dave, Wolf made the setlist - which means the original 3 weren't hell bent on doing album tracks, Wolfie had to convince them. Someone could make a cool Van Hagar set list. It's doable.
    Hell Yeah! They could do a smokin' one. New old ones, new Sam stuff, a cool cover....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shumway View Post
    I think because some nights he knew he couldn't sing certain songs.

    The WTF interview was the best Dave has given in years and it was nice to see him enjoying himself too. His mantra about singing at his best so as to avoid being sent up the chimney was interesting... On the last tour it really didn't always seem as though he was trying his hardest, but maybe he was after all?
    A large part of the catalog is outside of his normal range, and as he has aged, he can't sing many of these songs anymore without a large amount of struggle. Add on top of that he seems to have lost his mid range as well, and he doesn't have a lot of options outside of A) trying his best or B) dropping the tuning down about a gazillion steps.

    He's not the only singer in the world to lose their pipes in their 60's, the list is incredibly long. We just have Sam as a direct reference point and he hasn't lost anywhere near as much.

    2007/08 was the last good vocal tour from DLR, and it isn't going to get better from here on out, just worst. For me, and this is just me, yeah, on YouTube, sometimes it is cringe worthy, but I barely notice it at maximum volume live in front of my naked steaming eyes. He still puts on a great show, he's a true front man, so even with his diminished vocals, I really enjoyed my 2015 show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrideofPasadena View Post
    I agree. That sucked what they did too him. Honestly, If I was him, as soon as Ed started screwing me over I woulda beat his ass and quit that shit for good! And that woulda been way before all that happen.

    They did the same too him for the '04 reunion....everyone went to that. This aint no different.
    not really with the 04 tour, I don't think we found out about Mike getting screwed over on that tour well after the tour ended. I remember being under the impression for awhile that everything was cool with the band in 04 until near the end when Ed was playing and he was really, really messed up.

    everyone knows how Ed feels about Mike going into this one if it ever happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    A large part of the catalog is outside of his normal range, and as he has aged, he can't sing many of these songs anymore without a large amount of struggle. Add on top of that he seems to have lost his mid range as well, and he doesn't have a lot of options outside of A) trying his best or B) dropping the tuning down about a gazillion steps.

    He's not the only singer in the world to lose their pipes in their 60's, the list is incredibly long. We just have Sam as a direct reference point and he hasn't lost anywhere near as much.

    2007/08 was the last good vocal tour from DLR, and it isn't going to get better from here on out, just worst. For me, and this is just me, yeah, on YouTube, sometimes it is cringe worthy, but I barely notice it at maximum volume live in front of my naked steaming eyes. He still puts on a great show, he's a true front man, so even with his diminished vocals, I really enjoyed my 2015 show.
    Those songs were also written in the context of having Anthony's voice as part of the sound. You become more aggressive when you have a great cover for if you miss. If you track his notes most would be surprised his range is mostly intact. But like a pitcher with velocity if he can not hit the strike zone it does not matter.
    His screams that are such a signature are very rare now for the same reason he mid range no longer has any control, he simply does not have the diaphragm control needed for both. His screams are really odd in his technique and highly dependent on holding his diaphragm to stay in tune. That's simply has not been there. His sustain in 2015 also decreased which is just age and can be dealt with adding reverb if he was not stubborn. So when he out of the blue breaks out a scream and everyone is like where has that been, it is just a moment of control so he could do it. Going down more is prudent for ALL aging singers and hopeful young men on a date.
    No one helped by Anthony more than Dave and they compliment as one does not have much texture but ton of power at the high end why the other's strength is in texture and low end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    And again, all of this would not be going on without Ed & Al knowing.
    Thatís just bad business practice and Azoff isnít stupid.
    Dave sure thinks so, remember?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdog View Post
    Dave sure thinks so, remember?

    “I don’t know that I disagree,” Diamond Dave admitted to FL. “Van Halen is represented by one of the biggest idiots in the history of the sport, Irving Azoff. In fact that’s the job description; that’s his official title"

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    Did Roth really say that?
    Eddie Van Halen in 2012:

    "ESQ: What are you going to do with all the material that you wrote with Sammy Hagar?

    EVH: Oh, I hadn't thought about that. That's some great music. They're just on vacation, maybe. They're off to college and they're going their own way. Who knows?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by VH1988 View Post
    Did Roth really say that?
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shumway View Post
    I think because some nights he knew he couldn't sing certain songs.
    On the last tour it really didn't always seem as though he was trying his hardest, but maybe he was after all?



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