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    Default El cheapo way to get "Van Hagar" Detune effect (harmonizer wet dry wet setup)

    Much time has passed since the discussion on the topic, so let's go back:
    How to get this chorus-y tone that EVH got with his H949 Harmonizer? What are your experiences with:

    Digitech Luxe

    Mooer Pitch Box

    MXR Stereo Chorus

    According to Jeff Fiorentino: "Though not really a Van Halen effect as far as one that everyone who's into Van Halen has, I've found through my own tinkering that the MXR Stereo Chorus is phenomenal for dialing in an amazing mid and late era VH tone. It's a great substitute for the expensive harmonizer as well. This is the ideal Chorus effect for the Van Hagar era sound and it doesn't break the bank. Like the Phase 90 I also recommend running the stereo Chorus in the FX Loop of your amp. But again to each his own, what works for me and my specific guitar and amp setup may not be ideal for your setup, so try both ways and figure out what works best for you. Either way the settings below are a great guideline Chorus setting for the Van Halen tone, provided your amp EQ is set properly and your guitar is setup properly. (see earlier sections of this page for tips)

    Standard setting (basic rule of thumb guideline only!! You'll need to tweak based on your setup):
    Bass = 40%
    Treble = 60%
    Intensity = 25% to 80% - depends, for sounds like on OU812, a 60%-80% setting is suggested.
    Width = 25% to 60% - I keep the Width setting the same or close to the Intensity setting, but no higher than 60%
    Rate = 10% to 25% max.
    "


    http://jfrocksguitarlessons.com/van-halen-brownsound/

    TC Electronic Brainwaves

    OK, this is the new one and the question is: can it play Van Halen? TC claims that "BRAINWAVES also nails the squeaky clean, watery ‘80s tones we all know and love. Or slap on some dirt and dial up a shallow detune for the secret thickening agent from Van Halen’s post-1984 tone". However, TC is well known for claiming things that are not true (e.g. tap tempo in Flashback delay II).

    Oh, and what about Quintessence Harmony?

    Quintessence Harmony can absolutely be used as a detuner.

    Check out the “Detune” templates in the TonePrint editor (UnisonicMASH), where the harmonizer is set to unison mode. This means that the two voices are on same interval but slightly detuned.)

    This is done by setting tonebend intervals for the two harmony voices to 1 halftone / -1 halftone and then mapping MASH to control tonebend percent.

    Now if you set TP max/MASH max value to 100%, it will bend a full halftone up/down. However, by setting it at 30%, you just bend a couple of cents and get great “static” chorus type sounds. You can then change the degree of detuning with the MASH switch.

    If you want a static detune, just set the tonebend percent parameter to a low value.

    Here are the parameter settings for the dynamic detune settings, where you use the MASH switch to set amount of detune and revert back to a clean sound when MASH is released.

    If you want it to be static, just set the two Tonebend percent Parameters to 5-10% or change the “mash Default” curve Modifier value to same values.


    https://kb.musictribe.com/musickb/vi...d-as-a-detuner

    What are your thoughts, settings, etc.?
    Last edited by marcin; 06.12.19 at 10:15 AM.
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    I wouldn't mind trying out the Digitech Brainwaves pedal, but it's pink.

    I have the Luxe and couldn't find a setting on it I didn't think was just total tone-kill.

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    While you can definitely approximate it with a static chorus, in my opinion, I would recommend getting an H9 or a Pitchfactor.

    As a cheaper option, I would suggest a Boss PS-6 Harmonist. 5150Rob here has gotten great sounds with one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaminub View Post
    While you can definitely approximate it with a static chorus, in my opinion, I would recommend getting an H9 or a Pitchfactor.

    As a cheaper option, I would suggest a Boss PS-6 Harmonist. 5150Rob here has gotten great sounds with one.
    This.

    The PS6 has given me more than enough on Van Hagar tones, absolutely beautiful plugging my Music Man into my 5150 combo with the PS6 in the loop. IMO it's the closest you can get without a W/D/W.

    Amp wise the Peavey combo's double speakers almost mimic a stereo effect, at least from my experience.

    Go for the PS6
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    The PS-6 is awesome for getting that tone.

    Here's mine with the setting Rob uses...

    If you have nothing nice to say about Eddie Van Halen, you're at the right website. - Me (A few years ago)

    "People take Van Halen much more seriously than we do" - David Lee Roth (1980's)

    "I don't sit on the end of your bed while you're trying to make a living" - David Lee Roth (1988)

    "For some reason people love to complain about everything. The internet has made it easy for people to do that. Shut the fuck up and get a life, or show me how good you can do it."- Edward Van Halen

    "A lot of people ask me which Van Halen singer was better. You can't compare them. It's like asking which guitarist is better. Nobody is better than anybody. Every player is their own person."-Edward Van Halen

    "I do like Eddie Van Halen as a player. He gets it right quite often." -Paul McCartney

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    Hey Masong!
    Any chance you can do the magic (Audiacity _ vocal remover or anything) and provide me with Good Enough with vocals removed???
    Thank you.
    "If it sounds good, it is good" - Eddie Van Halen, 1981

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchie5150 View Post
    The PS-6 is awesome for getting that tone.

    Here's mine with the setting Rob uses...

    Basically, balance: 12 o'clock and +10 cents pitch shift The key in this mode is irrelevant.
    You use two amps?

    I had a good conversations on thegearpage :
    https://www.thegearpage.net/board/in...#post-28696678

    I have some budget and space limitations so I am going to try this solution:
    Clean Amp - Delay - TC Quintessence (as a detune pedal) - Distortion pedal - Wah

    Again, I am looking for a cheap approximation. IF The PS-6 can do the job better than TC while using one amp I might consider it.
    Last edited by marcin; 06.15.19 at 05:57 AM.
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    Checkout some of Rob's youtube clips he has posted recently and he goes through what he uses...


    (This one is the Balance tour stuff)

    Actually, anybody interested in VH guitars should checkout his videos. He goes through his amazing VH guitar collection tour by tour. Its better than watching GOT's

    BTW, I only use 1 amp with it and it sounds amazing...
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    "A lot of people ask me which Van Halen singer was better. You can't compare them. It's like asking which guitarist is better. Nobody is better than anybody. Every player is their own person."-Edward Van Halen

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    Yeah, still TC Quintessence has not only key, but also scale knob, allowing for mote intelligent harmonizing (Iron Maiden, Thin Lizzy, Divlje Jagode
    In addition, using TC, you can set different tonebend intervals for the two harmony voices for the dynamic detune.
    Last but not least Quintessence can handle both mono and stereo signals too.
    "If it sounds good, it is good" - Eddie Van Halen, 1981

    "Don't give up, seroiusly. I mean if I can do it, you can do it, seroiusly" - Eddie Van Halen, 1985

    "if you ever speak to me like that again, you better be wearing a cup" - EVH, 1996

    "Death by Hollywood, a little too fabulous for his own good" - Edward Van Halen, 2005

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchie5150 View Post
    The PS-6 is awesome for getting that tone.

    Here's mine with the setting Rob uses...

    Exactly!!! A simple dd3 boss delay pedal and the PS6 digital delay is the BEST poor mans way of getting the Sammy era Balance sound. Just set it to d tune and it does not matter what else you have you are good to go

    Rob

 

 

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