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    Quote Originally Posted by DFVH5150 View Post
    Damn, they hit Ontario twice in '15. That's lame. Sam hasn't hit Pittsburgh, a city who also has 3 major sports teams, since 2006.
    You would think that since Sam's wife is from Va Beach he would play this area often. But he doesn't. Since FUCK, 2002 w/Dave and 2009 with Chickenfoot. That's it. If he would come back and play here this summer I would go see him.

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    Not saying he wasn't big because he was all over MTV with 55, but he greatly exaggerates when he says he was as big as VH prior to joining them. VH sold out here repeatedly, Sam didn't come close.

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    Now you're exaggerating. You're splitting hairs on degrees, and for nothing. Everybody always says VH sells out their regional arenas when there's no real way to verify that, but bottom line is, in 1984 Sammy Hagar and Krokus were playing the same arenas as Van Halen and Autograph, being seen by the same audiences, being promoted by the same promoters, being hosted by the same venues. I dunno why you guys go so outta your way to discredit him. Who fuckin' cares? The same people that would go see VH in '84 would go see Sammy in '84 as well. Hard rock fans. It's that easy. It ain't rocket science. 55 and HFT were all over MTV, Forum this, VOA that, blah blah blah. LOL.

    Sam vs. Dave. So stale. Sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FW1981 View Post
    You would think that since Sam's wife is from Va Beach he would play this area often. But he doesn't. Since FUCK, 2002 w/Dave and 2009 with Chickenfoot. That's it. If he would come back and play here this summer I would go see him.
    Yeah that sucks. Any road-trippable places by ya?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fudd View Post
    There’s no winning or losing VS. these are just opinions. Everyone has been quite pleasant in this thread. No need for anyone to get snarky at each other.

    We’re passionate with this band and it’s members. Too bad the fucking band isn’t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Van Squalen View Post
    Now you're exaggerating. You're splitting hairs on degrees, and for nothing. Everybody always says VH sells out their regional arenas when there's no real way to verify that, but bottom line is, in 1984 Sammy Hagar and Krokus were playing the same arenas as Van Halen and Autograph, being seen by the same audiences, being promoted by the same promoters, being hosted by the same venues. I dunno why you guys go so outta your way to discredit him. Who fuckin' cares? The same people that would go see VH in '84 would go see Sammy in '84 as well. Hard rock fans. It's that easy. It ain't rocket science. 55 and HFT were all over MTV, Forum this, VOA that, blah blah blah. LOL.

    Sam vs. Dave. So stale. Sigh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DFVH5150 View Post
    Hey I was just pointing out I think that's why Sam traded Chickenfoot for The Circle. To maintain his VH legacy.

    Thoughts anyone?
    Disagree. Chickenfoot may have emerged from jamming at Cabo Wabo, but it was a conscious attempt to put together an actual band. The problem was that Satriani had his own legend to live up to and Chad had his day job. Playing together was the easy part - they still do it - but without anything resembling a hit, it was just unworkable to keep getting together as a band.

    The Circle is essentially an updated version of the Wabos. Vic on guitar. Mikey often played with Sammy, so just make him the regular bassist, particularly since they have VH history. Jason's the only one with anything else going on and he's not going to set the world on fire with a Led Zeppelin cover band, whatever his merits as a drummer. I saw the Circle in Albuquerque last month, great show, great band, but we were all there for only one person and his setlist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisW View Post
    Disagree. Chickenfoot may have emerged from jamming at Cabo Wabo, but it was a conscious attempt to put together an actual band. The problem was that Satriani had his own legend to live up to and Chad had his day job. Playing together was the easy part - they still do it - but without anything resembling a hit, it was just unworkable to keep getting together as a band.

    The Circle is essentially an updated version of the Wabos. Vic on guitar. Mikey often played with Sammy, so just make him the regular bassist, particularly since they have VH history. Jason's the only one with anything else going on and he's not going to set the world on fire with a Led Zeppelin cover band, whatever his merits as a drummer. I saw the Circle in Albuquerque last month, great show, great band, but we were all there for only one person and his setlist.
    You could be right, however I think I'm onto something since you're the first person to disagree.
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    You have a point.

    I edited my post last night to include the following, but since you have only 30 minutes to edit a post, it didn't go through:
    Van Halen's legacy comes from the guitar player. Dave and Sam contributed a lot as the front men but the unbelievable guitar-playing would make VH a legendary band even if all they did was cover polka songs. Dave's 'rock god' image comes in a not-too-distant second. It also helped that this was the dawn of the MTV era where everybody was seeing the same videos at the same time so regional successes were essentially forgotten about, the same way Montrose is basically forgotten about today by everybody except Sammy fans and, to a lesser extent, Van Halen fans.

    Sammy's legacy basically comes from him, but I don't think it's possible to underrate how much ten years in Van Halen contributed to that legacy. The fact that Van Halen didn't fail when he became the front man is on a par with 'winning the lottery' and not easy to explain. Did Sammy's fanbase make up for losing Dave's? Did the guitar player moving to keyboards and ballads make the difference? MTV? People still replace their worn-out records, 8-tracks, cassettes and CD's of the first album, not so much with the Van Hagar albums. That guitar player's first release is arguably the biggest part of Van Halen's legacy.

    Sammy's popularity and legacy can't be defined in simple terms like a couple of diamond-selling albums. People in the music industry knew him. People who went to any hard rock show they could find learned about him. People who liked Van Halen didn't ditch the band. People don't care who started a particular brand of alcohol. I recently learned that the original "Budweiser" was founded in 1245 and it was not one of the major questions of my life. Or party spot, how many people know the history of Las Vegas?

    To the extent it's possible to judge everything equally, I think Van Hagar is ultimately what Sammy will be known for. I'd like to use examples - "not as big as Tom Petty, not even as big as George Thorogood or Peter Frampton" - but those are absolutely subjective. You might see Sammy as more important than Tom Petty, I might see Sammy as less important, and ten other people won't even think of comparing Sammy to Petty.
    Sammy contributed more to rock history than David Lee Roth but he didn't contribute more to Van Halen than Roth did, and neither of them contributed as much as the guitar player.

    There's also the relationship with the fans. We have no idea what it's like to be surrounded by adoring fans for decades, Sammy does and has done very well in that arena. It's not just that it's subjective, it's that the people who know what they're doing in those circumstances don't even speak the same language as those who don't. Sammy does, the rest of Van Halen doesn't. But there's no perfect answer. I definitely think Sammy should have sung more of Dave's songs in concert, but I don't think he did a good job on the ones he did sing. Now multiply that by the people who actually bought tickets and may even have opinions that differ from mine.

    TLDR: Van Halen was and will be bigger than Sammy in the long run, but Sammy has been so phenomenal his entire career that I can't fault anyone for disagreeing, just quibble with the details.

 

 

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