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    Have any of you pondered buying a real cheap brand guitar - Jackson, BC Rich, Ibanez- in the $200-$300 2nd hand range? Yes, the PU will likely be horrible and the FR will go out of tune just by looking at it but $50-$100 gets you 2 decent 2nd hand PU (or 1 new) and if the PU are sound you can upgrade the trem.

    My thinking is if you haven't got a lot of guitars or if you just want a bit of fun that looks good if nothing else then it's yours for peanuts. Eg: I've always wanted a reverse-headstock Jackson and always thought the Adrian Smith So Cal looked classy and for the cost of a night out and a pizza on the way home I can get either, or even a re-issue BC Rich Gunslinger. Yeah, the Adrian Smith model is by all accounts bag of shite but with decent PU it should be serviceable (and I can always record the audio from another axe, heh heh).


    As long as any model has ok fret wear and dressing then it shouldn't be an issue. Just slap in the PU of your choice and avoid the trem and you're good to go - certainly for home use and recording. And if I'm ever gonna get off my backside and record more videos they'll provide visual variety and I can always lie that the Jackson is a USA Soloist

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    Reverse headstock - $130-ish
    https://tinyurl.com/yyqa3r2s


    80s neon orange - $100-ish
    https://tinyurl.com/y39379yy


    Maple neck - $220-ish
    https://tinyurl.com/y6hsdt6u


    Adrian Smith - $300-ish
    https://tinyurl.com/y5gke5v6
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlofeldsCat View Post
    Have any of you pondered buying a real cheap brand guitar - Jackson, BC Rich, Ibanez- in the $200-$300 2nd hand range? Yes, the PU will likely be horrible and the FR will go out of tune just by looking at it but $50-$100 gets you 2 decent 2nd hand PU (or 1 new) and if the PU are sound you can upgrade the trem.

    My thinking is if you haven't got a lot of guitars or if you just want a bit of fun that looks good if nothing else then it's yours for peanuts. Eg: I've always wanted a reverse-headstock Jackson and always thought the Adrian Smith So Cal looked classy and for the cost of a night out and a pizza on the way home I can get either, or even a re-issue BC Rich Gunslinger. Yeah, the Adrian Smith model is by all accounts bag of shite but with decent PU it should be serviceable (and I can always record the audio from another axe, heh heh).


    As long as any model has ok fret wear and dressing then it shouldn't be an issue. Just slap in the PU of your choice and avoid the trem and you're good to go - certainly for home use and recording. And if I'm ever gonna get off my backside and record more videos they'll provide visual variety and I can always lie that the Jackson is a USA Soloist

    Thoughts?


    Reverse headstock - $130-ish
    https://tinyurl.com/yyqa3r2s


    80s neon orange - $100-ish
    https://tinyurl.com/y39379yy


    Maple neck - $220-ish
    https://tinyurl.com/y6hsdt6u


    Adrian Smith - $300-ish
    https://tinyurl.com/y5gke5v6
    Go for it! Iíve bought a few low end guitars and suped them in the past (the latest being a Wolfgang Standard EVH) and loved them. I usually upgrade the Pups, upgrade to a Floyd Rose, pots and BAM! You gotta a pretty good guitar for a few hundred bucks.

    Iíve never played a Jackson, but am curious now. I may look around now.

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    See to me itís not worth it just to buy a low end guitar like that. Iíd rather just put something together that I know I will like for sure. Already you know when you buy that thing youíre going to have to do work to it, and frankly if Iím buying a factory guitar I donít want to have to sit and change everything on it. Iíd just buy a better factory guitar with good stuff and be done with it if I was to go that route.

    For a beginner or something yeah thatís fine but I donít see the point for an accomplished player to waste their time with a $130 guitar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyBHarris View Post
    Go for it! I’ve bought a few low end guitars and suped them in the past (the latest being a Wolfgang Standard EVH) and loved them. I usually upgrade the Pups, upgrade to a Floyd Rose, pots and BAM! You gotta a pretty good guitar for a few hundred bucks.

    I’ve never played a Jackson, but am curious now. I may look around now.
    That's my thinking. Both low and top end Jacksons and Ibanezes ue alder and basswood and it's the same CNC machine cut so upgrade te hardware - and like I said, if the PU are ok then upgrade the trem instead. A sooner-than-usual refret may be required if crappy materials and craftmanship but if you get 5 years out of a $300 investment then you can toss the thing in the bin and still have had your money's worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    See to me it’s not worth it just to buy a low end guitar like that. I’d rather just put something together that I know I will like for sure. Already you know when you buy that thing you’re going to have to do work to it, and frankly if I’m buying a factory guitar I don’t want to have to sit and change everything on it. I’d just buy a better factory guitar with good stuff and be done with it if I was to go that route.

    For a beginner or something yeah that’s fine but I don’t see the point for an accomplished player to waste their time with a $130 guitar.
    I understand your logic and it's been mine for a long time. I'm just thinking I can get that reverse headstock axe without having to invest much money (aka: money I don't have). If ever I do get a decent wedge it'll be spent on a home build. But I do have $200 + potentially another $100 and willing to take a punt rather than have to treble that to get an EVH/San Dimas equivalent (or quadruple it for a home build).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    See to me it’s not worth it just to buy a low end guitar like that. I’d rather just put something together that I know I will like for sure. Already you know when you buy that thing you’re going to have to do work to it, and frankly if I’m buying a factory guitar I don’t want to have to sit and change everything on it. I’d just buy a better factory guitar with good stuff and be done with it if I was to go that route.

    For a beginner or something yeah that’s fine but I don’t see the point for an accomplished player to waste their time with a $130 guitar.
    I hear you. I just like to “tinker” (for lack of a better word) with cheap guitars to see what the end product turns out to be. I have a lot of spare parts lying around though. Lol.

    If I don’t like the end product, I sell it on the bay.

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    I've got two Les Paul Standards, two SG's (Standard and Classic) and a USA Stratocaster.

    I've also got an Ibanez I bought for $160 and had a Duncan JB put in the bridge and some Sperzel locking tuners on it. It absolutely keeps up with the Gibsons. It's one of my favorite guitars!

    Also a Mexican Fender Stratocaster that I bought off of E-bay for $500. The previous owner upgraded the pickups to DiMarzio Area 51's and a Super Distortion in the bridge with Fender locking tuners. Another one of my favorites. And a MIM Deluxe Nashville Tele -- sounds like a bell choir, VERY solid guitar that could be used as a weapon. A partscaster Tele that I got for $120 back in 1994. Had a Duncan `52 set put in it -- absolutely killer guitar with classic Tele tone.

    My acoustics are all Yamahas that I got for $220 and less. Absolutely love them. I've never picked up a Martin or Taylor I liked better.

    These days price and quality don't go hand-in-hand like in the `80's. A lot of so-called cheap guitars, like the Fender Vintage Vibe or whatever they're called, keep up with or smoke their more expensive counterparts. It's all perception.

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    Gibson guitars have been suspect for a very long time. Quality control has been awful.
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    I have the jackson adrian smith sdx. Bought it used for $360 with A dimarzio super distortion in the bridge. I like it alot. This is the closest i will probably ever come to owning the Charvel i have always wanted...

    http://www.charvel.com/guitars/selec...w-blind-satin/

    I've been looking at that jackson j32 also, and recently saw a new cheaper version. With a cheap tremelo on it. (dont use it, never goes out of tune right?)

    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...th-fingerboard

    I'm a cheap ass guitar kinda guy anyways. $100-400 is all i ever spend. If i can, i buy blems and returns from online stores. Craigslist and Facebook groups for used. The cheaper models are good for buying a style you want to mess around with and get it out of your system. I bought a Squire affinity Tele off of craigslist. Tele is not a big need for me, this is good enough, gets me in the ballpark even without upgrades.
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    Iím not railing on buying inexpensive guitars Iíve done it myself of course. My point is I would rather spend the money to build one that I want than having to make do with one thatís cheap, and need to replace everything, just for the sake of being cheap. In the end it really isnít that cheap.

    And if youíre buying a $100 guitar youíre still getting a $100 guitar. Youíre not magically getting a great guitar, I donít care what year it is. Things havenít changed THAT much.

    For me and there is a difference between a $200 guitar and a $1000 guitar. It is noticeable...at least to me it is. Now could I make do with the cheaper guitar and replace stuff on it to make it better? Of course. Iíve done it. And yeah there are some cheaper guitars that can be upgraded and theyíre fine, and then thereís a lot of them that are just shit no matter what you do.

    Iím also not that impulsive when it comes to buying guitars, so Iím able to say I donít really need that and not buy it. When I buy a factory guitar it usually really is something I really want. I also donít have an issue getting rid of them if I donít play them.
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    Since you're light on funds, why not. I'm sure you could put together something cool.

    For me, I'd just save up. I've had a Jackson and Ibanez $150 cheapies. They just felt cheap in my hands. The necks and bodies might be the same as a $600 version but they didn't feel the same. No upgrade was changing that, for me.

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    Yeah Iím at the point now where finances are a concern and I would rather save up for a good guitar, then try to make do with a cheap one. Theyíre just never as nice no matter what you do with them. Itís still a cheapo guitar in the end.

    Now building one with good parts, thatís something different. That I see the benefit in doing and have done.
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    I actually recently bought a new Charvel DK 24. It was $1000. First new guitar I have purchased in several years. Played it at NAMM and really liked it. I didnít want to lay out that kind of bread all up front, so I got it from zzounds.com and they take $80 a month for a year. I have no issue doing that, so thatís what I did. No interest, no credit bullshit, it was super easy. They sent me the guitar in two days.
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    I am curious about it. I hear a lot of people buying cheap Gibsons, Fenders...and it works great.
    I haven't heard a lot about people buying cheap super strat stuff having the same results.

    The cheap ones I've had didn't seem like any upgrade would help the tone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrideofPasadena View Post
    I am curious about it. I hear a lot of people buying cheap Gibsons, Fenders...and it works great.
    I haven't heard a lot about people buying cheap super strat stuff having the same results.

    The cheap ones I've had didn't seem like any upgrade would help the tone.
    Most of them are still low grade woods, and inferior that way. The necks arenít always straight, the frets are usually cheap too, and not leveled well. Thereís just a whole rash of things that those really cheap Super Strats cut corners on.

    Like I said I donít think theyíre all terrible, but I think a lot of them are and to me itís just not worth the trouble of having to fix and replace everything to get a quality instrument.

    It was nice getting a guitar sent to me that I actually could just play out of the box and not have to sit and fiddle with for days. A few little tweaks and I was done because I always have to mess with the action a little bit. And I blocked the Floyd. But I could have lived with it the way it was.
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