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    I love Michael Anthony. Such a laid back cool guy.

    Thanks for the links.

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    The Oakland 81 show was most likely filmed in its entirety. Looking at the set list, Unchained was played as part of the encore, followed by ATBL. If you watch the entire video, at the end of the song Al lights up the gong then when the song finishes the band is taking their bow while the credits roll. The film crew isn't filming Unchained, stopping for ATBL, then starting again for the end of the concert. HAIL and STIL were played back to back. If you watch the end of STIL, when the song ends, Dave begins to talk to the audience, but the video fades out. That's an editing fade, not the camera being shut off, which means there is additional footage. There are bunch of different camera angles, like 4-5 per video maybe more. A camera crew of that size is going to film the entire show and send the film to whoever is doing the final editing. Film was dirt cheap back then. You just rolled tape and edited aftewards. You aren't showing up with all that gear, turning the cameras on for two songs at the beginning of the show and one song in the encore and hope that the film was rolling in time to get the beginning of the song. You are going to film the entire show and send it for editing. The film exists somewhere, probably in a storage facility, stuck between who knows what other tapes. Rumour also has it that Pete Angelus has the entire show and this is entirely possible too. MA said in that interview that they filmed everything starting 1980-81, like everything, for their own purposes. It's entirely possible that none of the original members are even aware that the Oakland 81 show exists and they might even have their own copy of the show somewhere. There is so much live footage of VH that it's sickening. We probably won't ever see any of it. I find it impossible to believe that only those 3 songs were filmed. From a purely logistical standpoint, you wouldn't operate this way if you are doing a pro-shot live music video. You are going to want lots of footage to work with, so you would film the entire show, probably on more than one night too, so all 3 of those Oakland shows might exist somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vhin04 View Post
    The Oakland 81 show was most likely filmed in its entirety. Looking at the set list, Unchained was played as part of the encore, followed by ATBL. If you watch the entire video, at the end of the song Al lights up the gong then when the song finishes the band is taking their bow while the credits roll. The film crew isn't filming Unchained, stopping for ATBL, then starting again for the end of the concert. HAIL and STIL were played back to back. If you watch the end of STIL, when the song ends, Dave begins to talk to the audience, but the video fades out. That's an editing fade, not the camera being shut off, which means there is additional footage. There are bunch of different camera angles, like 4-5 per video maybe more. A camera crew of that size is going to film the entire show and send the film to whoever is doing the final editing. Film was dirt cheap back then. You just rolled tape and edited aftewards. You aren't showing up with all that gear, turning the cameras on for two songs at the beginning of the show and one song in the encore and hope that the film was rolling in time to get the beginning of the song. You are going to film the entire show and send it for editing. The film exists somewhere, probably in a storage facility, stuck between who knows what other tapes. Rumour also has it that Pete Angelus has the entire show and this is entirely possible too. MA said in that interview that they filmed everything starting 1980-81, like everything, for their own purposes. It's entirely possible that none of the original members are even aware that the Oakland 81 show exists and they might even have their own copy of the show somewhere. There is so much live footage of VH that it's sickening. We probably won't ever see any of it. I find it impossible to believe that only those 3 songs were filmed. From a purely logistical standpoint, you wouldn't operate this way if you are doing a pro-shot live music video. You are going to want lots of footage to work with, so you would film the entire show, probably on more than one night too, so all 3 of those Oakland shows might exist somewhere.
    That all makes sense and is rational. Unfortunately, as you point out, it seems like a moot point since it'll take congress getting involved to ever get the band to release anything like that anyway. It's almost better to believe it doesn't exist rather than being tortured with so much cool stuff we'll never see...

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdog View Post
    That all makes sense and is rational. Unfortunately, as you point out, it seems like a moot point since it'll take congress getting involved to ever get the band to release anything like that anyway. It's almost better to believe it doesn't exist rather than being tortured with so much cool stuff we'll never see...
    I think Edís need for technical ecstasy and perfection is probably the reason. Who knows, he may cringe at the performance.

    Still canít understand how we got Tokyo Dome

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    Quote Originally Posted by dropped-d View Post
    I think Edís need for technical ecstasy and perfection is probably the reason. Who knows, he may cringe at the performance.

    Still canít understand how we got Tokyo Dome
    Yeah very odd that they completely faked the live album in 1992 but released a straight release of a 2013 show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vhin04 View Post
    The Oakland 81 show was most likely filmed in its entirety. Looking at the set list, Unchained was played as part of the encore, followed by ATBL. If you watch the entire video, at the end of the song Al lights up the gong then when the song finishes the band is taking their bow while the credits roll. The film crew isn't filming Unchained, stopping for ATBL, then starting again for the end of the concert. HAIL and STIL were played back to back. If you watch the end of STIL, when the song ends, Dave begins to talk to the audience, but the video fades out.
    I have killed alot of brain cells, and it has been over 37 years since I saw them on the FW tour, but the concert had 3 encores. VH would leave the stage after each song, not play them in a row. Thus, when Al lights the gong at the end of Unchained, you are actually seeing them take their bows before coming back out again for another encore, ATBL. I believe they did the same thing on he first of the DD concerts I attended...they did 3 seperate encores. VH really loved to milk the crowd during that time, and the crowd loved it!

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    Also, STIL went right into Jamie's Crying, so they would have had to edit the end of STIL.

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    The songs were specifically chosen as promo live vids for Don Kirshner's Rock Concert.

    Pre-MTV (or early MTV), that was the way you promoted your new album, along with radio.

    I'm not convinced they'd record the entire show if they only needed three tunes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vhin04 View Post
    The Oakland 81 show was most likely filmed in its entirety. Looking at the set list, Unchained was played as part of the encore, followed by ATBL. If you watch the entire video, at the end of the song Al lights up the gong then when the song finishes the band is taking their bow while the credits roll. The film crew isn't filming Unchained, stopping for ATBL, then starting again for the end of the concert. HAIL and STIL were played back to back. If you watch the end of STIL, when the song ends, Dave begins to talk to the audience, but the video fades out. That's an editing fade, not the camera being shut off, which means there is additional footage. There are bunch of different camera angles, like 4-5 per video maybe more. A camera crew of that size is going to film the entire show and send the film to whoever is doing the final editing. Film was dirt cheap back then. You just rolled tape and edited aftewards. You aren't showing up with all that gear, turning the cameras on for two songs at the beginning of the show and one song in the encore and hope that the film was rolling in time to get the beginning of the song. You are going to film the entire show and send it for editing. The film exists somewhere, probably in a storage facility, stuck between who knows what other tapes. Rumour also has it that Pete Angelus has the entire show and this is entirely possible too. MA said in that interview that they filmed everything starting 1980-81, like everything, for their own purposes. It's entirely possible that none of the original members are even aware that the Oakland 81 show exists and they might even have their own copy of the show somewhere. There is so much live footage of VH that it's sickening. We probably won't ever see any of it. I find it impossible to believe that only those 3 songs were filmed. From a purely logistical standpoint, you wouldn't operate this way if you are doing a pro-shot live music video. You are going to want lots of footage to work with, so you would film the entire show, probably on more than one night too, so all 3 of those Oakland shows might exist somewhere.
    Also.....

    From FFONER (Greg R):
    Based on the Pacific Titles inventory, it appears that only "Unchained," "So This Is Love?" and "Hear About It Later" were in fact filmed. But whatís also in the archives are 16 reels of 24-track audiotape recorded on June 11, 1981 by engineer Wally Heider with his LeMobile Studio. Itís virtually certain that these tapes document that nightís complete performance. In addition, David Lee Roth later told DJ Jim Ladd that the band did have cameras rolling over the course of all three nights to capture performances of those three songs.

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    OK, I just noticed something in the Unchained video that it has now taken me over thirty years to notice. The video has to be spliced how every slightly with another performance. Watch carefully. Frankie appears in Ed's hands at about the 2:25 mark and is seen for a couple of seconds. Frankie isn't seen before or after that. So, this shows that they must've filmed multiple nights/shows and put them together for these videos. In those few seconds, it does look like Ed is singing his part in Unchained while holing Frankie.
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    Uh, itís pretty common knowledge that the 81 vids were doctored for MTV. Are there really folks around who think those 3 reels are straight up pro shot raw footage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Van Squalen View Post
    Uh, it’s pretty common knowledge that the 81 vids were doctored for MTV. Are there really folks around who think those 3 reels are straight up pro shot raw footage?
    I always thought it was pretty clear as well that they were at least partially dubbed like the US Festival highlight reel...

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdog View Post
    I always thought it was pretty clear as well that they were at least partially dubbed like the US Festival highlight reel...
    Obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdog View Post
    I always thought it was pretty clear as well that they were at least partially dubbed like the US Festival highlight reel...
    This is where I was at. I had never seen anything clearly in those videos that was as evident as the Right Here Right Now video. Clothes and guitars changing throughout the same song. Like I said, it took me over thirty years, and also 51501984 pointing it out, to notice Ed playing a different guitar starting at 2:25 and only for a couple of seconds before switching back.
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    DON KIRSHNER!

    We know this.

    Promo vids.

    New album.

    We all know Frankie appeared briefly, we've known this since the 80's.
    Promo live vids with some editing.
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