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    Quote Originally Posted by DRFC View Post
    Can you imagine being as respected and revered in your profession as Alex is, yet your sibling still overshadows you?

    Where else is that the case? Jim Belushi isn't really any good, he's John's brother. Same with so many others. Trying to make an analogy. Maybe Eli Manning?
    Jimmie Vaughan comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdog View Post
    Jimmie Vaughan comes to mind.
    I always though Jim Belushi was a funny guy myself.

    Granted, he hasn't made any great movies, but he makes a lot of iffy stuff watchable.

    Jimmie Vaughan is a really good choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdog View Post
    Jimmie Vaughan comes to mind.
    He might have the record for that context.

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    I've had similar discussions with people about EVH and his place in guitar history as what is going with Peart here. There are plenty of people who just don't like VH, so they don't even think about Ed, but to the guitar community at large, Ed is a huge spike on the rock guitar timeline. The Peart discussion is very similar. Admittedly there's lesser impact than EVH, but he is regarded by the greater drumming community as one of the all time greats of the instrument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocknblues81 View Post
    I always though Jim Belushi was a funny guy myself.

    Granted, he hasn't made any great movies, but he makes a lot of iffy stuff watchable.

    Jimmie Vaughan is a really good choice.
    I loved Jim in 'About Last Night' and also the tv sitcom 'According to 'Jim'. Obviously not his brother, yet respectable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalFB View Post
    I've had similar discussions with people about EVH and his place in guitar history as what is going with Peart here. There are plenty of people who just don't like VH, so they don't even think about Ed, but to the guitar community at large, Ed is a huge spike on the rock guitar timeline. The Peart discussion is very similar. Admittedly there's lesser impact than EVH, but he is regarded by the greater drumming community as one of the all time greats of the instrument.
    See that’s a nice explanation instead of being a condescending prick. You Aussies have shit figured out.


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    Was never a huge RUSH guy, but there's no denying Peart is of the very elite in rock drumming.
    His fills are just meticulous & dramatic, he seems to have no limits, and is very professor-like
    with his abilities.

    Personally, maybe it's the German in me, but that's the kind of drumming i'm impressed by.

    I've always loved Alex, he's a huge factor in that CVH sound, but i never regarded him as
    a monster percussionist like Peart or Copeland.

    But that's more on me, or my perception of virtuosic drumming.

    Al had this looser, jazzier quality.
    You can hear it in the beginning of RD, or the drum solo in LUTS.
    That LUTS one fit, but always struck me as weird & jazzy, as a kid.

    A Peart would take that spot & just dazzle with meticulous speed & fills.
    But Alex kinda just bopped along, which fit and made sense with the way VH rolls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    Was never a huge RUSH guy, but there's no denying Peart is of the very elite in rock drumming.
    His fills are just meticulous & dramatic, he seems to have no limits, and is very professor-like
    with his abilities.

    Personally, maybe it's the German in me, but that's the kind of drumming i'm impressed by.

    I've always loved Alex, he's a huge factor in that CVH sound, but i never regarded him as
    a monster percussionist like Peart or Copeland.

    But that's more on me, or my perception of virtuosic drumming.

    Al had this looser, jazzier quality.
    You can hear it in the beginning of RD, or the drum solo in LUTS.
    That LUTS one fit, but always struck me as weird & jazzy, as a kid.

    A Peart would take that spot & just dazzle with meticulous speed & fills.
    But Alex kinda just bopped along, which fit and made sense with the way VH rolls.
    Agreed. Alex rarely, if ever overplays. He and Mike were the perfect rhythm section for Eddie.
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    In a weird way, i've always thought of Alex Lifeson as the Big Al to Peart's "Eddie."

    So many consider Lifeson to be this monster guitar player, and he may well be, but
    i've always found him to be a bit sloppier than both Geddy & Neil.
    His soloing is cool, but can be erratic.

    And it's wrong of me to think this, because the guy has command & insane ability.
    But like Al, i just never saw him as this incredible player.

    I know i'm wrong, btw.
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    However one feels about the music of RUSH, Neil, Alex and Geddy are probably as prolific a threesome on their instruments as any band in the history of rock & roll. They also genuinely like each other. Pretty rare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    However one feels about the music of RUSH, Neil, Alex and Geddy are probably as prolific a threesome on their instruments as any band in the history of rock & roll. They also genuinely like each other. Pretty rare.
    I really love both Alex' (Rush & VH).

    But i feel like i kinda take both for granted, as far as super skilled musicians.
    I like how they play, what they play...
    But i was never one to think: Those guys are two of the best!

    But they could very well be, they just keep it in check.

    For the record, i do like Peart's tone, as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdog View Post
    Jimmie Vaughan comes to mind.
    I remember Charlie Sexton & Doyle saying: Jimmie was the guy we all tried to emulate, in those early days.
    He just had style, both visually and musically.
    It was like meeting Elvis, he was the top guy in our circle.

    Stevie seemed to be the "rockier" little brother, while Jimmie was the deep blues cat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    I remember Charlie Sexton & Doyle saying: Jimmie was the guy we all tried to emulate, in those early days.
    He just had style, both visually and musically.
    It was like meeting Elvis, he was the top guy in our circle.

    Stevie seemed to be the "rockier" little brother, while Jimmie was the deep blues cat.
    I saw Jimmy Vaughan and The Fabulous Thunderbirds open for Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers at The Fabulous Forum in L.A. in June of 1981. I remember thinking that every one of TFT's songs sounded alike. I was not impressed. Tom Petty, on the other hand was awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    I saw Jimmy Vaughan and The Fabulous Thunderbirds open for Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers at The Fabulous Forum in L.A. in June of 1981. I remember thinking that every one of TFT's songs sounded alike. I was not impressed. Tom Petty, on the other hand was awesome.
    Yeah, same here.

    I never thought he was any good, compared to SRV.

    For buttoned up blues, i'll take Robert Cray over Jimmy.

    But i love Sexton & Bramhall, and all these Texas guys were praising how huge a presence
    Jimmie had in the TX guitar community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fudd View Post
    See that’s a nice explanation instead of being a condescending prick. You Aussies have shit figured out.


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    Whoops. Physician, heal thyself.

    If it's just specific to me, just come right out and admit it.

    Me saying Alex isn't in the legendary tiers of Peart, Bonham, Rich, or Moon wasn't being a condescending prick, fwiw. You can disagree all you like. But I wasn't bashing anyone in my initial post. Conversely, your admonition that you would address shit starting at its source seems to be invalid.

 

 

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