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    Quote Originally Posted by DFVH5150 View Post
    I think I brought that up before on here as a possibility and a bunch of people who know more about music said it's definitely MA, so I was like "okay, Mike it is."
    It get's a lot of folks butt-hurt, always has.

    I'm not sure why the idea that a control freak like Ed, who also happens to be a ridiculously
    gifted musician & virtuoso guitarist, would ever pick up a Bass and play on his own compositions,
    seems so ludicrous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    I've always thought the same.

    FW, the bass playing on certain tunes, sounds completely different.
    I hear it on 1984 as well.

    I picture Ed, especially at that time, hearing certain stuff in his head &
    not being satisfied unless it was exact.
    OK, what the fucking fuck??? Have you EVER heard EVH play bass that great?!?!? We have a full album of him playing bass for Sammy, and he NEVER sounds that great, has never sounded like the bass on "Push Comes To Shove." So once and for all, Ed did NOT play any bass on Fair Warning. EVH is an amazing guitar player, but he is NOT a great bass player.

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    First, I'm not a bassist. I play drums, so I have that going for me. But one question -

    I was listening to 1978 London this weekend and was struck by how much Mike freelances (on bass) through almost every song, including playing a LOT of notes during guitar solos. Not good or bad...I didn't notice any weird over-playing, but do you think that bothered Eddie? Did he want Mike to just hold down the bottom with Al, allowing him to swing away?

    Maybe this is something EVH complained about decades ago, but it hit me when listening them from '78.
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    And it's pretty clear why. The 8th note thing comes from Ed. And in numerous interviews, EVH has expressed his idea of bass playing: play simple stuff to let the guitar shine. Have you ever heard Ed mention Geddy Lee? Not once. He's not into this type of playing. For him the guitar has to dominate and the bass has to serve. So when he played bass for Sammy, he played simple stuff, in keeping whith his beliefs. You can also listen to VHIII - where Ed is supposed to have played most of the bass. Nothing notable to report on the bass front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    OK, what the fucking fuck??? Have you EVER heard EVH play bass that great?!?!? We have a full album of him playing bass for Sammy, and he NEVER sounds that great, has never sounded like the bass on "Push Comes To Shove." So once and for all, Ed did NOT play any bass on Fair Warning. EVH is an amazing guitar player, but he is NOT a great bass player.

    Gee.
    Phil Chen would beg to differ.
    Billy Sheehan would beg to differ.

    Even in that old Guitar World, the V issue, there was a comment about how Ed
    could play great Bass.

    I'm not sure why people think this is so strange?

    I went to High School with a few ripping guitar players, whom also (SHOCKER)
    owned Basses & played great Bass.

    I can only imagine what Ed can do, left to his own devices.

    Portions of FW ain't Mike, sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    Phil Chen would beg to differ.
    Billy Sheehan would beg to differ.

    Even in that old Guitar World, the V issue, there was a comment about how Ed
    could play great Bass.

    I'm not sure why people think this is so strange?

    I went to High School with a few ripping guitar players, whom also (SHOCKER)
    owned Basses & played great Bass.

    I can only imagine what Ed can do, left to his own devices.

    Portions of FW ain't Mike, sorry.
    I'll believe it when I see it/hear it. I've never heard Ed play outstanding bass. I've heard him play simple bass. Playing great, technical, Geddy Lee-style bass is actually, very, very difficult. I know this is a guitar-dominated forum, but awesome bass playing isn't easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    I'll believe it when I see it/hear it. I've never heard Ed play outstanding bass. I've heard him play simple bass. Playing great, technical, Geddy Lee-style bass is actually, very, very difficult. I know this is a guitar-dominated forum, but awesome bass playing isn't easy.
    I never said it was.

    But Eddie is not some schmuck fiddling around in his garage.
    He's a brilliant musician & player.

    I can't imagine him wincing & exclaiming, "What the hell do i do with that??,"
    if someone were to place a Bass in his hands.
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    There are four strings on that thing, what the hell do i do???
    E, A, D & G!

    I'm used to six, E A D G B E!

    I have no idea where to put my hands on this thing!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    Portions of FW ain't Mike, sorry.
    Kee-rist, are you dense. Do you know anything at all about this band?

    Fuckin' chowderhead lol....

    Yes, we get it, you're a Wolfie fanboy who thinks the drums and bass are replaceable. You'd go see Dave and Ed with the Jenner sisters playing rhythm and happily call it Van Halen.

    Meanwhile...Mike has always been able to wield a boom stick with the best of the best. Just because you haven't bothered to notice or attend any shows where he actually laid it down, doesn't mean it didn't happen. It just means you have a short attention span and only care about the singer and the guitarist. Which of course makes you like any casual mainstream fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    I never said it was.

    But Eddie is not some schmuck fiddling around in his garage.
    He's a brilliant musician & player.

    I can't imagine him wincing & exclaiming, "What the hell do i do with that??,"
    if someone were to place a Bass in his hands.
    You must've never heard of Sammy's I Never Said Goodbye album.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    OK, what the fucking fuck??? Have you EVER heard EVH play bass that great?!?!? We have a full album of him playing bass for Sammy, and he NEVER sounds that great, has never sounded like the bass on "Push Comes To Shove." So once and for all, Ed did NOT play any bass on Fair Warning. EVH is an amazing guitar player, but he is NOT a great bass player.

    Gee.
    LMFAO, somebody did too much coke this morning. Take a chill pill dude.

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    It was my understanding that Mike played all the bass parts on everything except VHIII and the 04 demos.

    I could be wrong.

    I have a ton of boots (CVH through the Sam era)and Mike brings it live. I would think he also played in the studio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    I don't listen to much past 1984, so i can't really comment on Poundcake.

    But i do think a guy like Mike is not made to be "showy" as a Bass player.
    He's not a Chris Squire or Geezer Butler or Geddy Lee.
    He's just not.


    I think he's rock solid on the albums & perfect for holding it down.
    Of course, he's incomparable as a backing vocalist, which Ted certainly understood,
    thus those loud, pristine choruses in the mix.
    I agree he's not Squire or Lee. I just wanted him to be Mike. But instead he was turned into a metronome. One great thing about Mike I noticed was he was bit like John Bonham. A guy who COULD play more notes...but only did it when it fit.

    Like here. He laid back when it was appropriate. He didn't get in Eddie's way during that great verse riff...but added interesting color during the other parts of the song.



    Or during YRGM when Mike added that super cool descending lick while Eddie was throwing in that fill and it worked perfect (0:19). It didn't get in the way at all:



    Beautiful Girls has a cool swing to it. Some comes from Eddie of course...but some comes from Mike too. This stuff is sweet:



    Those little things add life to a song imo. I've always had a huge appreciation for bass players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DressedinRags View Post
    First, I'm not a bassist. I play drums, so I have that going for me. But one question -

    I was listening to 1978 London this weekend and was struck by how much Mike freelances (on bass) through almost every song, including playing a LOT of notes during guitar solos. Not good or bad...I didn't notice any weird over-playing, but do you think that bothered Eddie? Did he want Mike to just hold down the bottom with Al, allowing him to swing away?

    Maybe this is something EVH complained about decades ago, but it hit me when listening them from '78.
    I think it started with Templeman and his handling of the band when they were recording the first album. And then Ed got that in his head and it went from there.

    The early live shows and demos have a much busier Mike than what we ended up with on the studio releases.
    The only genre I really know is Van Halen.

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