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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    Should a producer be able to have that kind of say so? If I'm a musician, and someone tells me to not play the way I play do or feel in that moment. That's some bullshit imo.

    Maybe I don't understand the role of a studio music producer.

    Would Templeman have ever told Ed to dumb down his playing or even Al?
    I just thought of that interview where Eddie talked about wanting to produce Holdsworth's album in the mid 80's.... He mentioned it sounding like all his other albums. "Pssst, Al, lay off the legato and pyro. Try to get a Peter Gabriel vibe..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    Should a producer be able to have that kind of say so? If I'm a musician, and someone tells me to not play the way I play do or feel in that moment. That's some bullshit imo.

    Maybe I don't understand the role of a studio music producer.

    Would Templeman have ever told Ed to dumb down his playing or even Al?
    When those guys were early 20s and begging to get signed I'm sure they weren't going to tell Ted that he was wrong.

    Its simply speculation on my part but there has to be a reason Mike's playing was pulled back from the demos to the final product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Get The Show On The Road View Post
    When those guys were early 20s and begging to get signed I'm sure they weren't going to tell Ted that he was wrong.

    Its simply speculation on my part but there has to be a reason Mike's playing was pulled back from the demos to the final product.
    There was total room for Mike to let loose. I dont think Mike could have done anything to take the focus off Ed on the 6 pack.

    Mike wasn't Sheehan but he wasnt Cliff Williams either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Get The Show On The Road View Post
    When those guys were early 20s and begging to get signed I'm sure they weren't going to tell Ted that he was wrong.

    Its simply speculation on my part but there has to be a reason Mike's playing was pulled back from the demos to the final product.
    Edward.
    Not the later 'control freak' Ed we've come to know, yet Ted has said quite often that his main reason for signing the band and his main focus on the debut, was Eddie's guitar. He wanted it to be prominently featured and "put it all over the map!"

    I'd say the strategy paid off!
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    On the live recordings, the early stuff, Mike is a bit sloppy & loose when he goes faster.
    He hits a few bum notes (or slides into them), but it's fun because it's live & reckless.

    In the studio, that stuff would not fly.

    Ed had the hands of God, but also the pocket.
    Mike needed to be reeled in, or they'd be colliding within the songs.
    It would be too busy & distracting.

    Ted was smart to know Ed was special, and highlight him, while giving the
    band a rock solid sort of backbeat.

    Mike is fantastic & key, but Ted was correct to focus on Mike's vocals & simpler
    Bass lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RRvh1 View Post
    Edward.
    Not the later 'control freak' Ed we've come to know, yet Ted has said quite often that his main reason for signing the band and his main focus on the debut, was Eddie's guitar. He wanted it to be prominently featured and "put it all over the map!"

    I'd say the strategy paid to off!
    It seems it was only Mike who needed to rein it in though. Hmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vcooper3 View Post
    Bass Solo/Sunday Afternoon In the Park on Live: RHRN.


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    I loved that part of the RHRN experience, both on cd and dvd.
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    Mike isn't JPJ or John Entwistle.

    It's like you guys want him to be something he is not.

    VH isn't cream in the 60's, doing 25 minute jams.
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    It's like wishing Phil Rudd would play more fills like Neil Peart.

    Phil Rudd is in the pocket & awesome!

    Every guy nails their role, whether it be Rush, AC/DC or VH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    It seems it was only Mike who needed to rein it in though. Hmm.
    There has been talk of Al's drums (or a drum?) not being mic'd properly... Etc.
    Don't know, don't care, as the record sounds great to me as it stands.
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    I will way this though, Mikes "solo" live was the worst damaging thing to his rep as a solid musician imo.

    I understand what it was and what it provided but it was amateur hour. Any one of us could have gotten up there and banged around using nothing but effects.

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    Mike was killer on VH II.

    I think Ed played Bass on Fair Waring and 1984.

    Also think Ed did the bass parts on Pleasure Dome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ View Post
    Mike was killer on VH II.

    I think Ed played Bass on Fair Waring and 1984.

    Also think Ed did the bass parts on Pleasure Dome.
    I've always thought the same.

    FW, the bass playing on certain tunes, sounds completely different.
    I hear it on 1984 as well.

    I picture Ed, especially at that time, hearing certain stuff in his head &
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    I will way this though, Mikes "solo" live was the worst damaging thing to his rep as a solid musician imo.

    I understand what it was and what it provided but it was amateur hour. Any one of us could have gotten up there and banged around using nothing but effects.
    I think he knew that after folks heard Eddie's extended jam, and as much as I don't care for most drum solos, Al flailing away, something different would be appropriate. Hence, the effects laden 'solo' with the onstage antics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ View Post
    Mike was killer on VH II.

    I think Ed played Bass on Fair Waring and 1984.

    Also think Ed did the bass parts on Pleasure Dome.
    Is this because of the way the bass sounds on FW and 1984, the fact that Ed obviously had more control in the studio on these two albums or a combination of both?
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