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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugs Meanie View Post
    This solves the Why Won't VH Celebrate the 40th Anniversary of VHI - it's because, for now, only 1 person is going to profit on that anniversary.

    EVH is selling 8 Guitars for $25K, 30 Guitars for $12.5K, & 40 Guitars for $7878.78 - He's selling 78 Guitars for a total of more than $890,000... THIS is why EVH doesn't go out on the road all summer with a singer he's not necessarily fond of or hire back a bass player he's shown outward hostility for decades. The last 3 tours have taken care of any of Al's divorce $$ woes . The EVH brand is lucrative enough on its own to support EVH, he enjoys it more than dealing with personalities, and he doesn't enjoy touring (I'm 46 & I hate travelling extensively too). Maybe he truly does just want to guide the EVH brand and spend time with his wife and Kody instead of touring.

    Also, IMHO... I really believe EVH still carries residual anger over that 25% 4-way split from back in the day. A 40th Tour would have brought big $$$, but I really don't think he wanted to share a penny of it with anyone not named Van Halen. He could also make easy $$$ re-releasing Hagar-era stuff or doing something there but that would mean Sammy would be getting $$$ (and attention) too - so that's out. Ed holds ALL the cards as to who can make $$$ off of the name Van Halen. I think he wants everyone (any other member of VH past or present) to know it.

    No one leaves $$$ on the table quite like Van Halen. As a fan, I'm not happy about any of that but Van Halen doesn't owe me anything.

    Sorry so long! I don't post very often, so please cut me a break
    I don't think Eddie will ever see anything close that $890k, though. After you factor in the production and marketing costs, he's probably only seeing a small fraction of that. Sure, getting a couple hundred grand is always nice, but when you have the lifestyle of Eddie Van Halen, I doubt that puts much of a dent in the old checking account.

    It's clear though that Eddie has been spending more time on his gear than he has on his music. That must be where his passion is today, and he couldn't care less about VH's musical legacy.

    What he does with all that gear after he's perfected it is the big question
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post

    It's clear though that Eddie has been spending more time on his gear than he has on his music. That must be where his passion is today, and he couldn't care less about VH's musical legacy.

    What he does with all that gear after he's perfected it is the big question
    That’s been the case for 20 years. Something fundamentally changed from the guy who used to say “I’ll never be a nostalgia act” to the guy who says “ I’ll play Eruption on a guitar and sell it to you for 20 grand.” And I get it. He’s got every right to celebrate his history, but how much can you keep milking what you did 40 years ago? When people talk about 40 years of Van Halen, it’s more like 20 years of actually creating music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjk View Post
    That’s been the case for 20 years. Something fundamentally changed from the guy who used to say “I’ll never be a nostalgia act” to the guy who says “ I’ll play Eruption on a guitar and sell it to you for 20 grand.” And I get it. He’s got every right to celebrate his history, but how much can you keep milking what you did 40 years ago? When people talk about 40 years of Van Halen, it’s more like 20 years of actually creating music.
    Sadly most people care more about what he did 40 years ago that anything new he would put out today.
    The only genre I really know is Van Halen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post
    I don't think Eddie will ever see anything close that $890k, though. After you factor in the production and marketing costs, he's probably only seeing a small fraction of that. Sure, getting a couple hundred grand is always nice, but when you have the lifestyle of Eddie Van Halen, I doubt that puts much of a dent in the old checking account.
    Depends on his deal with FMIC. Considering most of these guitars are pre-sold before they hit the NAMM floor and are press released, there isn't much marketing that needs to go into em. The guitar also probably costs under a $1500 to make per unit so their margin is pretty sweet any way you slice it. It's still pocket change for him though, you're right.


    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post

    What he does with all that gear after he's perfected it is the big question
    He sells it. Period.

    That being said with every new release of a special guitar or pedal, there's a new VH tour for us to see it in his hands or on his pedalboard so maybe the marketing tour will be in full swing shortly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Get The Show On The Road View Post
    Sadly most people care more about what he did 40 years ago that anything new he would put out today.
    I think they’d still have a solid following if they didn’t fall off the face of the earth around ‘99 when they were still fairly “current”. I didn’t think all the dysfunction would put an end to his musical output, whether it’s with Van Halen or solo. The guy says hes a musician, not a rock star. Musicians put out music. Even when bands split, the individual guys put out stuff. He’s basically Hendrix or SRV now. Only a memory. The difference is those guys are dead.

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    If that thumb drive had E, plus ATBL, ITO, JC outro, AP, LD, and ICM on there, with some real nice close ups,
    I'd have to give it some more serious thought...yeah...no! (Dutchie)



    Remember when FCS made the red'd relic'd franky a few years ago, and folks were saying, 'but why not make a B&W one?'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Get The Show On The Road View Post
    Sadly most people care more about what he did 40 years ago that anything new he would put out today.
    Well that goes for just about everyone who has had a long career... Paul McCartney is about to release a new album but do you think anyone really cares???? No one is giving a shit if KISS release something new. Even bands like Metallica. No one cares about their new shit. They just want to hear all the old stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchie5150 View Post
    Even bands like Metallica. No one cares about their new shit. They just want to hear all the old stuff.

    Its just the way it is.
    Thats 100% false.

    What isn't false is that these guitars are fuckin ridiculous. I see the dealers who bought these (and don't have them pre-sold) having a tough time unloading them at those price points. Same way the Frankies had to be dropped anywhere from $8-10k from their original MSRP of $25k.
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    It's almost like Eddie started a second, successful career with EVH Gear.

    I see his amps, logo, everywhere now.
    Even people you'd never expect like Jack White & St. Vincent.
    Even Grimes has an EVH head in her home studio.

    In a way, he's still very active, just a different part of the business.
    Graver, Walking Ed, refugee from CVH & proud tone chaser...

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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    It's almost like Eddie started a second, successful career with EVH Gear.

    I see his amps, logo, everywhere now.
    Even people you'd never expect like Jack White & St. Vincent.
    Even Grimes has an EVH head in her home studio.

    In a way, he's still very active, just a different part of the business.
    Sure. I just can’t think of anything who puts out as much signature gear, yet has zero output musically. You’d think the gear and music would go hand in hand. All the other big name guitarists and endorsement guys are active musicians- hell most of them are in multiple projects. Not a peep from ol’ Ed. Just more nostalgia from 40 years ago....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    Thats 100% false.

    What isn't false is that these guitars are fuckin ridiculous. I see the dealers who bought these (and don't have them pre-sold) having a tough time unloading them at those price points. Same way the Frankies had to be dropped anywhere from $8-10k from their original MSRP of $25k.
    I'm guessing any dealer buying these whoppers are probably using it to drive traffic to their store and that's how they justify the cost. I can't imagine anyone walking into a Guitar Center and saying "yeah, I'll take that one, here's $25k." It's a shame that many of them will just end up on a shelf without being played, but that seems like what happened to the Franky ones.

    I'm actually surprised they kept that same $25k price point. Given how soft the market was for the original ones at that price, I can't imagine people are clamoring for these versions, especially when I've seen fan builds that are more accurate than these.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    It's almost like Eddie started a second, successful career with EVH Gear.

    I see his amps, logo, everywhere now.
    Even people you'd never expect like Jack White & St. Vincent.
    Even Grimes has an EVH head in her home studio.

    In a way, he's still very active, just a different part of the business.
    And he doesn't even have to leave the house.

    BTW...
    Annie Clark (St. Vincent) was a massive Pantera and VH fan when she was a teenager in Dallas

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise next door View Post
    And he doesn't even have to leave the house.

    BTW...
    Annie Clark (St. Vincent) was a massive Pantera and VH fan when she was a teenager in Dallas
    I like her new Stealth St Vincent model, which reminded me of the EVH stealth concept.
    I just pictured her seeing that Wolfgang & liking the color.

    Annie is very cool, for sure.
    She's so sweet faced, yet her interviews are like: So the fucking guy, fucking hits the amp,
    my fucking hands are fucked up, so...
    Graver, Walking Ed, refugee from CVH & proud tone chaser...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post
    I'm actually surprised they kept that same $25k price point. Given how soft the market was for the original ones at that price, I can't imagine people are clamoring for these versions, especially when I've seen fan builds that are more accurate than these.
    This is the issue for me as well. Yes, EVH is free to release whatever he wants, and people are free to spend their money however they choose... but I can't imagine spending this much for a guitar (even one played by Ed himself) when I've seen members of this forum produce guitars that are just as good (if not better) than the products that are "officially" released (case in point: some of the Frankenstein replicas that you all have made are closer to the original than the "This is the S***!!" reproductions that Fender made).

    As far as others have observed about Ed "milking" his reputation from 40 years ago, well... I suppose one could make that case (although I guess it's his career- he can do whatever he pleases). But you can take my EVH Frankenstein humbucker and my EVH MXR Phase 90 away from me when hell freezes over...
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