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    Quote Originally Posted by Van Squalen View Post
    I dunno if it was a long term plan or not. I just know Eddie was and still is insecure enough to not want to share profits or spotlights with anyone other than blood family. That was true long before his son was born.

    Mike's a fan favorite. Has been for 40 years. Maybe Eddie was jealous. Who knows. We already know he felt Mike was unfairly reaping profits he didn't deserve. As if VH would've been what it was without Mike. Eddie's a dumbfuck. He doesn't see VH as the sum of its parts. He sees VH as himself and Alex, and that's the end of it for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Van Squalen View Post
    Alas, I am not the nicest guy I know.
    That's because you've met me.
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    To be clear, I don't think Sammy should be pushing them like that, they clearly just don't wanna be friends and that's every bit their right. And although I love both main eras I have a clear preference for the Dave stuff. And I do think Sammy comes across as silly with this stuff sometimes, so I'm certainly no Sammy apologist.

    But the objective track record just seems clear as far as who is being reasonable. Sammy has played with and gotten to know everyone you can think of in the music world for decades. Just a staggering list of other professional musicians. And while I have never heard anything whatsoever from any of them about Sammy being a liar or stab-in-the-back guy or anything like that the Van Halen brothers have just left a trail of misery in their wake. One permanently dead relationship after another. So I just think it's beyond clear who is being unreasonable, even though as I said they don't owe anyone anything.

    I do think Sammy would like another shot in the spotlight of VH, but I also really do think he feels like it wasn't just a business relationship, he and Eddie were real friends for a decade. I think that's why he won't let it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    After striking lightning twice with Dave and Sam, Eddie probably thought that the singer didn't matter. 1998 proved otherwise …
    Moreover, he also thought his bassist was replaceable with his son.

    He was dead wrong about that, too. As evidenced by, oh, any live performance of VH4 since '07.

    It ain't VH without Mikey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    That's because you've met me.


    I may be one of the few who know you have a little bit of a dark side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    I was going to post basically the same thing. FWIW, I think the brothers are wrong. Sam is a much better businessman than Ed and Al are.
    They very well may be wrong but it doesn't matter.

    If they think he ripped them off, even if it isn't true, they're going to have a great deal of animosity towards him and I'm not sure that will ever change unless they can be convinced that he didn't.

    And yes, I think Sam is a better businessman as well. And I'm not sure that's a positive in the brothers' eyes.
    The only genre I really know is Van Halen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdog View Post
    To be clear, I don't think Sammy should be pushing them like that, they clearly just don't wanna be friends and that's every bit their right. And although I love both main eras I have a clear preference for the Dave stuff. And I do think Sammy comes across as silly with this stuff sometimes, so I'm certainly no Sammy apologist.

    But the objective track record just seems clear as far as who is being reasonable. Sammy has played with and gotten to know everyone you can think of in the music world for decades. Just a staggering list of other professional musicians. And while I have never heard anything whatsoever from any of them about Sammy being a liar or stab-in-the-back guy or anything like that the Van Halen brothers have just left a trail of misery in their wake. One permanently dead relationship after another. So I just think it's beyond clear who is being unreasonable, even though as I said they don't owe anyone anything.

    I do think Sammy would like another shot in the spotlight of VH, but I also really do think he feels like it wasn't just a business relationship, he and Eddie were real friends for a decade. I think that's why he won't let it go.
    I know for a fact Sammy would just like to be friendly again with Ed and Al. If a reunion happened, of course he'd be into it (with Mike). But I am certain he's just unsettled the bad blood appears permanent.

    Those Dutch-Indo hybrids know how to hold a grudge.

    All because of a failing bar investment in Baja California. Dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdog View Post
    To be clear, I don't think Sammy should be pushing them like that, they clearly just don't wanna be friends and that's every bit their right. And although I love both main eras I have a clear preference for the Dave stuff. And I do think Sammy comes across as silly with this stuff sometimes, so I'm certainly no Sammy apologist.

    But the objective track record just seems clear as far as who is being reasonable. Sammy has played with and gotten to know everyone you can think of in the music world for decades. Just a staggering list of other professional musicians. And while I have never heard anything whatsoever from any of them about Sammy being a liar or stab-in-the-back guy or anything like that the Van Halen brothers have just left a trail of misery in their wake. One permanently dead relationship after another. So I just think it's beyond clear who is being unreasonable, even though as I said they don't owe anyone anything.

    I do think Sammy would like another shot in the spotlight of VH, but I also really do think he feels like it wasn't just a business relationship, he and Eddie were real friends for a decade. I think that's why he won't let it go.
    Snowdog, you are always the voice of reason amongst the never ending chaos of Van Halen fandom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Van Squalen View Post


    I may be one of the few who know you have a little bit of a dark side.
    My wife is Indian, but she's not THAT dark.
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    Sammy is like the ex that refuses to let go.

    Who admits they sent a text, an email, a phone call?

    I'm surprised he hasn't turned up on Eddie's driveway, waving his arms:
    Hey! You guys home?! Hello!!

    You cannot force people to be your friends & you gotta take the hint
    and move on.

    Also, the side comment about Ed in Al's message, would make me suspicious
    he really wanted to just message Ed.

    I've done that before:

    Hey Rick, just realized we hadn't spoken in ages.
    Hey, remember Lauren? Is she still around, too?
    Graver, Walking Ed, refugee from CVH & proud tone chaser...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Get The Show On The Road View Post
    They very well may be wrong but it doesn't matter.

    If they think he ripped them off, even if it isn't true, they're going to have a great deal of animosity towards him and I'm not sure that will ever change unless they can be convinced that he didn't.

    And yes, I think Sam is a better businessman as well. And I'm not sure that's a positive in the brothers' eyes.
    Part of maturing in life is realizing you can't always win or be the best at everything you do. Egos are fragile things.
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    I smell a Dutch boy special guest appearance at Huntington Beach in October. Just a feeling.

    Burt, Mark, Joe, now we gotta rally. What a hootinanny that'll end up being.

    White sand sure make a tan look niiiiiiiiiiiice....................

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    Snowdog, you are always the voice of reason amongst the never ending chaos of Van Halen fandom.
    Hey! Stop that! I don't want that kind of responsibility!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Van Squalen View Post
    I smell a Dutch boy special guest appearance at Huntington Beach in October. Just a feeling.

    Burt, Mark, Joe, now we gotta rally. What a hootinanny that'll end up being.

    White sand sure make a tan look niiiiiiiiiiiice....................
    Adrian Vandenberg? You and your damn Whitesnake fetish!
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    And I'd REALLY like a beachfront condo on Maui!!!!
    As would I...
    Kidding aside, we were late to the outdoor life, as far as ownership and retirement options go. Now that we have that in our assets - lakeshore cottage, greenbelt space that won't be developed, all that goes with it, etc. - I wouldn't have it any other way!

    City life can suck it.... Get me out to the country!
    "There's too many people on this basketball that's floating around the sun, who are too afraid to allow themselves to FEEL" - Edward Van Halen
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