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    Quote Originally Posted by Raldo View Post
    He has some good points.
    Yep. Fair points,even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    But Rising was a fantastic book.

    It was like a Historian releasing an epic tome on WWII, or something.
    I'm not sure why EVERYONE has to be there, if they do a ton of research and
    talk to those that were.

    Having said that, i really enjoyed Noel's perspective.

    Quote Originally Posted by JUNGLE DRUMMER View Post
    Yep, you're right.

    There would be thousands upon thousands of history books that would never be written if everyone thought with such a narrow minded view like that.
    Agreed.

    I think it's good to have both. A first hand account has its value and the work of a historian has its value too.

    A historian pieces things together in a way "someone who was there" would not. It's his job to search for details and back up every event with as much supporting evidence as possible. Greg Renoff made sure to point out whether or not he was certain of each event. He provided conflicted accounts when it was applicable too. There was no deception there.

    Really the Renoff book isn't him talking....it's the evidence talking from countless sources pieced together in expert fashion. He told the story of the birth of VH better than it's ever been told by a factor of 10. Not surprising really when you put a historian on the job.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Harpospoke View Post
    Agreed.

    I think it's good to have both. A first hand account has its value and the work of a historian has its value too.

    A historian pieces things together in a way "someone who was there" would not. It's his job to search for details and back up every event with as much supporting evidence as possible. Greg Renoff made sure to point out whether or not he was certain of each event. He provided conflicted accounts when it was applicable too. There was no deception there.

    Really the Renoff book isn't him talking....it's the evidence talking from countless sources pieced together in expert fashion. He told the story of the birth of VH better than it's ever been told by a factor of 10. Not surprising really when you put a historian on the job.
    Exactly. It is a great read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    Sounds like Alex was the worst of the bunch, which surprised me.
    Doesn't surprise me. Maybe that's why he's a minister now. He was the biggest pussy hound and drinker in the band.

    Guys like him have a lot to atone for.

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    This came out four months ago. ( The actual interview took place last year)

    The new issue has a page on one of the 1988 MOR shows. ( KISS on the cover)

    Here's their sample PDF to see a few pages of NM's VH article. Dynamite magazine.


    http://www.rockcandymag.com/storage/.../van-halen.pdf

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    Well, Noel is probably right, but I'm not that fan.
    I didn't expect Ed to be jumping around after his hip issue, or Dave's voice to get better, or any aspects of youth to be kept.
    Had they got back together in '96 I wouldn't have expected any of it.

    You cherish what you grew up with. VH was a part of that. I like watching old stuff cuz they were at their best. No different from me liking to watch any band from their heyday. It has nothing to do with being young again for me. That aint never happening, obviously.

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    Noel Monk's book is valuable only because there is so little available in terms of serious VH books. But it suffers from a couple of major problems:

    1) Noel Monk was FIRED by the band. Dismissed. And no one has ever said a good thing about him in 30 years. Not even Michael "Gandhi" Anthony who usually has good thing to say about everyone. That tells you something. All we heard was how great the NEXT manager was, Ed Leffler. So Noel Monk is by and large a disgruntled Van Halen employee. Yes he was at the top of the pyramid, but still an employee nonetheless.

    2) Noel Monk is also a jerk himself, from his own writing! His favorite part of the job was getting into fist fights with t-shirt bootleggers, he made sure Ed's dealer came on tour instead of wanting him to get clean, he never understood Van Halen's music, etc, etc.

    So it's a first hand account by a former manager, yes, but a disgruntled, fired jerk.
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    I'm good with admitting that I AM trying to re-live my youth...everyday!
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    Monk has a POV that is interesting as so few from within to share that view.

    I personally think he is a drunken asshole due to how he treated some friends in Prophet back in the day.

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    A manager that gets into fist fights over t-shirts is no way to represent a band, especially one of Van Halenís stature of that time.

    Van Halen grew rapidly based on the bandís great music and live performances.

    The band probably would have benefitted from a much stronger manager in the early 80s, especially with the immense success of 1984. Too many personalities and substance issues that led to the split in Ď85.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrin Stephens View Post
    Monk has a POV that is interesting as so few from within to share that view.

    I personally think he is a drunken asshole due to how he treated some friends in Prophet back in the day.

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    Are you talking about the 80s Prophet from the Jersey Shore with Kenny Dubman on guitar??

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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    Darren, you knew Prophet, eh? What a great bunch of musicians those guys were. They were a huge club draw for a long time.
    Russ and kenny are just great guys. Kenny has a new solo disc, talented guys but never had the songs. Russ arcara I speak w almost everyday, a super sweet guy that monk just totally fucked over.

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    Kenny is awesome! I met him in 1995, July 4th night I believe - when I was working as a bouncer at a small club in Sea Bright. He was doing a 3 piece thing and singing as well. All Clapton, Hendrix, and SRV covers. What an amazing player that guy is. He told me about opening up for Yngwie during his Trilogy tour. They played at Tradewinds a lot I think...I was going to take lessons from him, but well pre cell phone and pre internet days, I lost his # and didn't know how to reach him. His new band is called Colossal Street Jam I believe. He plays a lot around my area, Monmouth/Ocean County NJ.

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