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    The guy nails the tone & the bends & the phrasing...

    And this really illustrates just how cool & creative all those
    Ratt riffs really were!

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    Damn! He's got Warren nailed for sure.

    He was super creative. He's jumpin' around all over then goes into some light speed phrase.
    Those bends. The kind ya practice a few days and your third finger is dead. Difficult stuff.

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    I was watching some old Doug Steele videos the other day. It sounds like blasphemy, but I think some of the people covering this stuff these days may be playing it better than the original people. But these are 40+ year olds covering it. The people who recorded the original songs were 22 and finding their way, amazed to have a record deal and probably nervous to be in a real studio.

    What I want to know is, why do I never see these guys in actual bands? I just looked at a bunch of videos of bands at the Universal Bar & Grill, a bar in L.A. where new bands get their first gig. Band after band, no one is remotely near the guy in this video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtyBoy View Post
    I was watching some old Doug Steele videos the other day. It sounds like blasphemy, but I think some of the people covering this stuff these days may be playing it better than the original people. But these are 40+ year olds covering it. The people who recorded the original songs were 22 and finding their way, amazed to have a record deal and probably nervous to be in a real studio.

    What I want to know is, why do I never see these guys in actual bands? I just looked at a bunch of videos of bands at the Universal Bar & Grill, a bar in L.A. where new bands get their first gig. Band after band, no one is remotely near the guy in this video.
    Probably because folks today have had decades to pick it apart.
    We have to appreciate the way our guitar forefathers have inspired us.
    There are many wickedly good guitar players on this planet, that we will never ever know, or hear of. Such is life, and life is short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnbuckle View Post
    Probably because folks today have had decades to pick it apart.
    Yep! And I think sometimes these guys are playing something way more complicated than what's on the record. I know there's a lick in the "Somebody Get Me a Doctor" solo that Doug Steele shows as being some big, wide stretch that's involved as hell, but I thought, "I'm pretty sure that's a simple pentatonic box thing." When the 2012 live videos came out, I saw I was right! Eddie (and Warren, Randy, etc.) were `70's guys with a few updates, they weren't reinventing the wheel. But in a post-Vai/Racer X/Guthrie Govan world, people imagine these things to be harder than they actually were, but it looks and sounds great.

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    Yeah, in a way, inspiration breeds invention.
    I think everyone's own individual interpretation of licks, is very healthy for our sport, as a whole.
    It can be very interesting to see six different players, play the same passage, six different ways.
    We've probably all seen somebody make a difficult lead, look easy, as well as seen somebody else, make an easy one, look difficult...

    It just kills me when Doug Steele, whom without a doubt, is an awesome player, says something like 'ohh...I don't effen know...figure it out!'

    Whaaat???....I want my money back...........oh wait, I didn't give him any money

    Personally, I don't think we would have had the Rhoads, and Lynchs, and DeMartinis, and a lot more, without the Edward. He set a new barre, and it became inspirational to many.
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    Sort of on topic to Ratt, I just listened to Greg Renoff interviewing Jimmy D'Anda from the Bulletboys. Maybe I read it before but then forgot it, but Marq Torien was once the guitar player for Ratt. Not sure where he fit in the lineage. I'm guessing after Jake but before Warren?
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    I know you guys love Lynch, but Warren D. was my dude back in the day.

    Just loved his solo's and tone, and his incredible rhythms & riffs.
    Both he & Robbin had sick tones, and every opening riff just seemed to be killer.
    "Lay it down" really is almost God like, especially watching this guy's hands playing it.
    Ratt was pretty heavy for the "hair metal" tag.

    It's sad that this guy & Jacob Deraps are just old school guitar dudes on youtube.
    Everybody is amazing, it seems.
    There's a million Doug Steele's, and it seems cruel to put in all that work to be that good,
    and the metal guy covering the Cranberries "Zombie," is getting more hits.

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    I think a lot of those amazing players don't even join bands. I'll look up bars in Los Angeles (primarily the Whisky and the Universal Bar & Grill where I saw a comedy open mic) and see what bands are playing, then go look at those bands' live videos. The Van Halen/Lynch/DeMartini era is well over. It's really unbelievable, the guitar players suck balls so hard. Not even grading them on an `80's shredder scale, they're just plain out of tune and out of time. I would think any of these YouTube prodigys should easily be in a great band. Where are they? At home in front of their webcam.

    I had Riffguy on back when I had a podcast and posed the question to him. He said he had put ads on the Toronto Craigslist, but you ran into three kinds of people:

    A.) People who want to make a band but have no recorded example of their playing, which he correctly said is inexcusable in this day and age.
    B.) People who couldn't play.
    C.) People who were great, but were so busy with their wife and kids they didn't have time for anything else.

    So I guess it makes sense. Why put up with the hassle of forming a band, dealing with the personalities and trying to get shows, when you can just blow a thousand notes on YouTube and potentially have several hundred to thousands of people put in writing that you're great?

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    ArtyBoy, I see you have found the Samurai Ninja guy (that always wears camo pants, in a restaurant, after hours, most likely in Japan, and has access to just about any guitar you can imagine).

    Well let me tell you, this dude can play anything, and everything, and plays it very well.
    This is probably one of the easier ones for him.

    Every time I watch too many of his vids, I end up tossing another one of my guitars in the trash.
    So be very careful

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    That Demartini/Lynch kinda left hand legato thing, ALWAYS impressed me.
    That LA shred style inspired by EVH.

    Yngwie with his fast alternate picking was great, but i just loved the sound & fluidity
    of all those fast pulls & hammers.

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    When the whole "Share Your Licks" part of the forum was introduced, I thought it was members here to share their licks? Ahh well, my bad!

    But yeah, Art, Doug Steele is a blazing mo-fo. The guy is very talented and has a lot of chops.
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    Damn, Rob. You don't quit.

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