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    Default 5150 (the song) tuning

    One thing always bugged me about this.

    On the 5150 tour, it was played in D instead of E, but on every subsequent tour it was played (which I think was only OU812 & the '93 Euro tour), it was played in it's recorded tuning of E.

    I constantly see bands tune down to compensate for vocals, but this might be the only example of a band returning to standard tuning after tuning down.

    Basically: Does anybody know why 5150 was played a step down in 1986? Was it because Sammy was afraid he might blow his voice?

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    Not sure of the exact reason, but Sam wanting to save his voice might be a logical answer, possibly. But...., there were lots of vocal acrobatics on that album and in concert, where the band tuned normally. Maybe it was a question of Ed not wanting to have to switch guitars for different songs etc.? He's mentioned before about preferring to play one guitar for most of a concert, although obvious exceptions apply.

    Hard to say. Sorry for just speculating... Btw, I've heard bootleg versions of Eruption from the club days where Ed is clearly tuned a whole step down for some reason. I thought it might be tape speed fluctuations from different generations of audio sources, yet the actual playing and phrasing sound on point with his regular versions.

    Go figure.
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    The original song is in Drop D right? Did they go to Drop C at some stage?
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    5150 on the album is in Eb with the low e string in drop D.
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    Then there's Good Enough, which had the A bass string in place of the low E, that they did play at least once in concert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RRvh1 View Post
    Then there's Good Enough, which had the A bass string in place of the low E, that they did play at least once in concert.
    Good Enough was a regular in the 1986 setlist , most likely played on every date of the 5150 tour
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalFB View Post
    The original song is in Drop D right? Did they go to Drop C at some stage?
    Yeah, that's what I meant. Standard with the low E dropped to D. DADGBE.

    But compare the LWAN version to any version from 1993 or the album. LWAN is CGCFAD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 51501984 View Post
    Good Enough was a regular in the 1986 setlist , most likely played on every date of the 5150 tour
    Right on! As much as I love that era, I haven't delved into many '86 bootlegs. Go figure.... But Good Enough is a slamming tune with a great vibe.
    Quote Originally Posted by Al Van Bundy View Post
    Yeah, that's what I meant. Standard with the low E dropped to D. DADGBE.

    But compare the LWAN version to any version from 1993 or the album. LWAN is CGCFAD.
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    I know on the 5150 tour Sam was having voice issues, at least on the Northwest/ Vancouver leg. He even apologized during the concert, saying the cold wet weather was affecting his throat. He did have a bit of trouble hitting a few notes he could normally nail easily.
    Think thats why the inconsistency with the tuning of 5150 during the tour.

 

 

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