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    Quote Originally Posted by Harpospoke View Post
    That's if we can trust the "certifications". For all we know, FW caught and passed DD years ago. Among people who buy VH albums, I'm going to estimate that 10% of them think DD is the better album. (wild forking guess)



    Exactly my thought. After all those years of playing VH songs. ...And one year after willingly playing EWS and Cradle .....Mean Street and other FW songs were something they wouldn't touch? And then one year later they were falling all over themselves to play PW and DITS without being paid?

    Keep in mind that 1981 radio had zero problem playing Crazy Train, Dirty Deeds, and Tom Sawyer. No "pop" in those either.

    I smell BS all over this one.
    Yeah, that chapter really surprised me.

    WBCN & WCOZ were playing "Mean street" and "Unchained," constantly.
    Even "HAIL" got some love, here & there, pre & post release.

    They make it out to be like VH pulled a Lou Reed & released, Metal Machine Music.
    Mean street & Unchained were loaded with hooks.
    Plus, you had "So this is love?" which was super catchy & jubilant.

    And like you mentioned, Rush, AC/DC, Ozzy, Priest, were all getting lots of airplay.
    They make it sound like radio was given a Cannibal Corpse album:
    What do we do with this?!!!

    Just really odd a proven band had to resort to the payola game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    I do remember Fair Warning getting far less airplay here on the rock radio stations in So Cal than the following albums that were also released in 1981:

    In chronological order of date of release ...

    Paradise Theatre - Styx
    Moving Pictures - RUSH
    Don't Say No - Billy Squier
    Hard Promises - Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers
    Foreigner - 4
    Escape - Journey
    Tattoo You - The Rolling Stones
    Allied Forces - Triumph
    Ghost In The Machine - The Police
    Get Lucky - Loverboy
    Business As Usual - Men At Work
    I Love Rock 'n' Roll - Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
    For Those About To Rock - AC/DC
    Fair Warning has aged a lot better than most of that list...

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    And i still think WACF was a darker/heavier album than FW.

    Cradle & EWS! were getting tons of airplay.
    "Cradle" was the heaviest thing i'd heard up to that point, and radio played that
    constantly.

    And then you've got the gorgeous "In a simple rhyme," and the DJ's ignore it!

    I still don't know what criteria they are looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by What a Rocker 1973 View Post
    Fair Warning has aged a lot better than most of that list...
    That's a great list of albums, man.

    I think the majority of them still hold up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    That's a great list of albums, man.

    I think the majority of them still hold up.
    Should probably clarify that FW holds its own today in classic rock radio replay. Those are some solid albums in a great year for music.


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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    And i still think WACF was a darker/heavier album than FW.

    Cradle & EWS! were getting tons of airplay.
    "Cradle" was the heaviest thing i'd heard up to that point, and radio played that
    constantly.

    And then you've got the gorgeous "In a simple rhyme," and the DJ's ignore it!

    I still don't know what criteria they are looking for.
    My guess would be $$$$

    Like you pointed out, they had no problem playing things like Dirty Deeds, Tom Sawyer, and Crazy Train when FW came out.

    And the year before Cradle and EWS were all over the radio. They were simpler sounding songs than something like Mean Street....but that doesn't explain Crazy Train the next year. Or how about how Rush had radio hits in 1980 with Spirit of the Radio and Free Will? Or Steely Dan having a radio hit in 1980 with Hey Nineteen? So...one year later Tom Sawyer and Crazy Train were ok for radio but Mean Street held no interest for radio with all those hooks? One could say the intro was too long...but that's why they did radio edits. That was common practice to remove something like that.

    Of course AC/DC did fine with Back in Black in 1980 so they didn't have to do a cover of Pretty Woman to get on the radio.

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    Just another one of those "only Van Halen" mysteries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    Yeah, that chapter really surprised me.

    WBCN & WCOZ were playing "Mean street" and "Unchained," constantly.
    Even "HAIL" got some love, here & there, pre & post release.

    They make it out to be like VH pulled a Lou Reed & released, Metal Machine Music.
    Mean street & Unchained were loaded with hooks.
    Plus, you had "So this is love?" which was super catchy & jubilant.

    And like you mentioned, Rush, AC/DC, Ozzy, Priest, were all getting lots of airplay.
    They make it sound like radio was given a Cannibal Corpse album:
    What do we do with this?!!!

    Just really odd a proven band had to resort to the payola game.
    Well you've got to remember back than a listener could call in and request songs too.
    It's not like today where stations usually play a prerecorded set list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harpospoke View Post
    My guess would be $$$$

    Like you pointed out, they had no problem playing things like Dirty Deeds, Tom Sawyer, and Crazy Train when FW came out.

    And the year before Cradle and EWS were all over the radio. They were simpler sounding songs than something like Mean Street....but that doesn't explain Crazy Train the next year. Or how about how Rush had radio hits in 1980 with Spirit of the Radio and Free Will? Or Steely Dan having a radio hit in 1980 with Hey Nineteen? So...one year later Tom Sawyer and Crazy Train were ok for radio but Mean Street held no interest for radio with all those hooks? One could say the intro was too long...but that's why they did radio edits. That was common practice to remove something like that.

    Of course AC/DC did fine with Back in Black in 1980 so they didn't have to do a cover of Pretty Woman to get on the radio.
    Well, the intro to EWS is longer than Mean Street, so I don't think MS would've needed one of those idiotic radio edits.

    I still don't like that VH agreed to that ridiculous radio AND video edit of Humans Being. Meanwhile, MTV and radio had no problem playing 9 minute self indulgent garbage like November Rain hourly...

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    Well, there's no denying they completely switched gears post FW, and went for more radio
    orientated things like Pretty Woman, DITS, Jump...

    WACF & FW were more aggressive albums, and it seemed like that was the direction
    they liked.
    I guess the sales for FW spooked them a bit.

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    Common practice in the music biz. The Billboard charts work the same way. It's how the business operates. It has nothing to do with VH, Fair Warning or any other band or song.

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    Fair Warning has always been an enigma to me. Most hardcore fans agree itís their best album, yet it was their worst selling record until III. It would surprise me if WB made a conscious decision to not promote it like the first 4. VH was a cash cow for them from day 1. Would be interesting to know exactly how much they spent promoting FW compared to the previous records. You also have to keep perspective in that most bands would kill to have a record that sold as well as FW. Just speaks to how big a band they were.

    I also agree FW has held up unbelievably well. Those songs still sound amazing. FW was a masterpiece IMO. Why it did not sell as well as their other records will never make sense to me.

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    PCTS
    SAITP
    OFOTD

    FW did not sound like your typical party VH album. It was a departure. This is obvious given that it didn't sell as well others.

    Radio stations I assume, were given advanced copies before hand. The buzz must not have been there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    PCTS
    SAITP
    OFOTD

    FW did not sound like your typical party VH album. It was a departure. This is obvious given that it didn't sell as well others.

    Radio stations I assume, were given advanced copies before hand. The buzz must not have been there.
    Forgive my ignorance Chris, but what do PCTS, SAITP and OFOTD stand for?

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    Everyone is assuming that Anthem didn't pay for Spirit of Radio to get airplay, or that Atlantic didn't pay for For Those About to Rock.

    It's just how the business was, the more money you pay, the more in rotation your song gets, and maybe you get that money back and more in album sales. It was an investment in an album by a label. If they didn't think it was good, they wouldn't have done it.
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