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    3 dead 2 injured, one critically. The shooting occurred at about 11:13 p.m. on Monday, according to the Sheriff’s Office.

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    NOKOMIS —Three people are dead and two are injured in a double murder and suicide Monday night, the Sarasota County Sheriff’s Office says.

    According to the Sheriff’s Office, the shooting was reported in the 400 block of Kenwood Avenue in Nokomis at about 11:13 p.m. All the people involved are accounted for and there is no threat to the public.

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    there is no official status, but the generally accepted is 4 or more people shot with no cooling off period between shootings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy Hill View Post
    there is no official status, but the generally accepted is 4 or more people shot with no cooling off period between shootings.
    This actually isn't true. This is the standard that has been used recently by the media and is not the standard criminologists use. Here's why: the more narrowly you can define the problem, the more likely you are to count an incident that more closely resembles Columbine, not a guy robbing a convenience store who fires a gun at several people. And that should become clear now when you think about Vegas, Sandy Hook, etc., and then think about the story this thread started with. It's a shooting with multiple victims, but it is not what one thinks of when we say "mass shooting." And that's a problem when trying to solve problems. These are two different types of crimes and it isn't helpful to conflate the two.

    The Mother Jones database uses 4 or more victims killed through 2012, but then 3 or more victims killed since 2013. They also must be a single incident in a public place. With reporting on these occurring more, the Mother Jones list makes it look like there has been an increase. The FBI, however, continues to use the 4 or more people murdered standard. Criminologist Greg Duwe starts with the FBI data and then uses media reports to fill in the details. It's this dataset that most likely defines mass shootings as we think of them, and it shows incidents that are not getting worse, but instead zig zag wildly over time.

    So, knowing all that, where would the original story for this thread be better categorized, as a mass shooting or as domestic violence? While both fall under gun crime, I would categorize Vegas as a mass shooting and this as domestic violence.

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    So if you shoot 22 people, but kill only 1, it's not a mass shooting?

    IMHO Marksmanship should not play into the equation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TJENZ View Post
    So if you shoot 22 people, but kill only 1, it's not a mass shooting?

    IMHO Marksmanship should not play into the equation.
    But at this point you've got the media chomping at the bit for any type of shooting. Gotta ride those sweet sweet rating highs.

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    So if you shoot 22 people, but kill only 1, it's not a mass shooting?

    IMHO Marksmanship should not play into the equation.
    “Mass shooting” is an imprecise phrase. We are really talking about mass public shootings not part of another crime, where murder is the goal and they unfold in a matter of hours or less.

    Certainly your scenario is troublesome, but it’s also measurably better than 6 dead, for example. This is also the crux of the left’s argument when there is, say, a London knife attack —1 dead, 17 injured. ‘See? No guns and only one dead. Much better than how guns can cause mass murder.’ So even the left categorizes your scenario as something different.


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    I've been reading bits and pieces about the LV tragedy but there is one line in one of the stories that is mind blowing...

    " More than 11,660 people have been killed by guns in the US this year "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchie5150 View Post
    I've been reading bits and pieces about the LV tragedy but there is one line in one of the stories that is mind blowing...

    " More than 11,660 people have been killed by guns in the US this year "

    Fuck me...
    The rate of gun homicides has halved since 1993. So we are headed in the right direction.


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    Sorry guys, but the "it's worse in Chicago so let's do nothing" reasoning is total BS. You guys are just saying this because none of your family members got hit. If it was someone close to you, you wouldn't be in favor of the status quo, believe me. Tons of pro-gun ppl affected by the tragedy changed their mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    Sorry guys, but the "it's worse in Chicago so let's do nothing" reasoning is total BS. You guys are just saying this because none of your family members got hit. If it was someone close to you, you wouldn't be in favor of the status quo, believe me. Tons of pro-gun ppl affected by the tragedy changed their mind.

    You heard of the Brady bill? Well Brady was/is a Republican.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchie5150 View Post
    I've been reading bits and pieces about the LV tragedy but there is one line in one of the stories that is mind blowing...

    " More than 11,660 people have been killed by guns in the US this year "

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    Wildman, depends on where you go. You live in small town USA, or in a cabin in the mountains, or in farm country, chances are nothing will change and you feel as safe as always.

    But if you're planning to go to Vegas, or Time Square, of any area with a high density of people, you will feel less safe. I live a 4 hour drive away from Vegas and go there every year, sometimes several times, for work or recreation. I feel less safe.
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