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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    Agreed, but I think we need to acknowledge that some people are just being left behind in our modern economy, there are too many people with rudimentary skill sets and not enough jobs to keep them all employed.

    I know unemployment is down, but that is a bogus number, always has been, not just under Trump.
    If universal income replaced every other social program (welfare, unemployment, etc) then I think one could have the conversation. I've never seen it as a total replacement. We tested it up here and it didn't work.

    As for there's not jobs for people looking for work, I'd prefer going the route of guaranteeing a job at a level below min wage for anyone who wants it. Walk around wherever you live and I bet you can come up with 10 things that you'd like done in no time that take no real skill (picking up trash, mowing the grass, working as a crossing guard near every school, etc). I'm sure charity organizations would love to have people willing to take a job clearing the snow for seniors or a million other things. I've worked since I was 12 and never not had a job. In 99% of cases I bet the problem is not ability to find a job, it's that people can't find a job that they WANT to do.

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    Quick question out of ignorance because Iím too lazy to read up on all of the basic income positions being floated. If you receive it, you are still required to work at something, no? Thereís always something in the public sphere that can be improved upon/made cleaner better.
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    Depends upon which UBI proposal you look at.
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    I think some kind of Job Corps that has been put out by just about every Presidential candidate in my lifetime that puts unemployed people to work for a decent wage doing public works such has what Mike described would be a great start.

    But it seems to be something that only sounds good on the campaign trail and then is quickly forgotten after election day.
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    I do not have a problem with government helping to a degree as long as it comes with some sort of community service as pay back. Same would hold true of basic income. You receive it, you are working 40 hours doing service for the community or state. Pick up trash, tear down brush, paint fences or apprentice somewhere to learn a skill. Not simply go to school to learn so you possibly can get a higher paying job. You want a higher paying job, you learn on the job. Part of the reason why we have so many people with no skills is because we have this mentality that certain jobs are beneath you. No they are not. They provide income. Typical mindset is to push people in college so they are viewed as intelligent. There simply are not enough jobs, nor will there be enough jobs for undergraduates. If everybody had a diploma where would we find people to work at Wal Mart? Eventually a cashier would require a BA.

    Anyway, train people with apprenticeships. You learn and you make money. Heck you can learn skills that assist you at home. Carpentry is very useful. Plumbing is very useful.

    Veered off a bit but if you are getting money from the state or fed, you earn it by some form of work. Shouldn't be welfare.

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    I'm also for community service. I'm even ok with paying for college provided there is mandatory service to one's community.

    Let me be clear. Community college where real work skills are taught. No universities and no art degrees etc. Auto, Electrician, CNC type jobs and culinary etc.

    I wish more skilled jobs employers would offer apprenticeships right off the street with no experience but that ain't happening full-scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    I'm also for community service. I'm even ok with paying for college provided there is mandatory service to one's community.

    Let me be clear. Community college where real work skills are taught. No universities and no art degrees etc. Auto, Electrician, CNC type jobs and culinary etc.

    I wish more skilled jobs employers would offer apprenticeships right off the street with no experience but that ain't happening full-scale.
    Because the government is happy to supply loans to individuals to go to school. In the end we all shoulder the burden rather than the eventual employer.

    Take the government out of it, and suddenly those that need the services are going to have to train their employees. After they train those employees, they are going to be incentivized to keep that employee under their roof, so they are going to pay them more and treat them better. If they can just wait for another class to graduate from the local community college, the risk is lower and wages are depressed.

    To play devil's advocate to my own point, that does mean that those industries are going to have higher labor costs which will trickle down to the consumer, but I would much rather the free market dictate the supply and demand rather than government interventionism attempting to influence who benefits and who doesn't.
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