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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    I don't remember saying that the US government could virtually eradicate poverty through Nationals Healthcare, and Education.

    Also, hard to say "I have no problem with a difference of opinion, we can be polar opposite in point of view, and we can still be friends." and then two lines later "I think the underlying assumption of your statement is bullshit"
    Yeah the assumption is bullshit...I didn’t say you were.

    Also my opinion on the assumption being bullshit is just that, my opinion...doesn’t mean I dislike you for differing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombattt View Post
    Yeah the assumption is bullshit...I didn’t say you were.
    An assumption I didn't make? These were my words after all:

    Not that's there any reason to believe your government would do single payer well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    An assumption I didn't make? These were my words after all:
    The underlying assumption that drives the US’s national Healthcare issue. That driving underlying assumption is bullshit, period.

    BTW I sense that we may be talking about separate points of this issue...my bad for not being able to explain it more clearly. I need a lot more coffee
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombattt View Post
    The underlying assumption that drives the US’s national Healthcare issue. That driving underlying assumption is bullshit, period.
    At this point, I'm not even sure what you're saying. Can you let me in on specifically what you took issue with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    At this point, I'm not even sure what you're saying. Can you let me in on specifically what you took issue with?
    Haha. We’re good.

    Really didn’t take issue with you. I’ll bow out of politics...it’s no place for an academic
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombattt View Post
    Haha. We’re good.

    Really didn’t take issue with you. I’ll bow out of politics...it’s no place for an academic

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    ‘Medicare-for-all’ sponsor says plan would gut 1 million private insurance jobs

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    Rep. Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash., the lead House sponsor of the sweeping “Medicare-for-all” health care plan, said this week that her proposed program would force about 1 million employees of private health insurance companies out of their jobs.

    She made the remarks during a town hall at American University, while stressing her goal to try and help those "displaced" by a shift to a government-managed health care system.

    "There are a lot of people who work in the private insurance industry," Jayapal said. “We have thought carefully about how we’d take care of those folks because we think those people are very important.”


    In video taken by conservative group “America Rising,” she predicted “there's about a million people we think will be displaced if 'Medicare-for-all' happens” and then outlined how her bill would “take care” of those people whose jobs are made redundant.

    "We have set aside one percent a year of the total cost of the bill for five years to take care of a transition for employees in the private insurance sector," Jayapal said. "If they are able to retire, that might be one, pension guarantees, job training so they can move into a different system."




    The bill, which was introduced in February by Jayapal and Rep. Debbie Dingell, D-Mich., was co-sponsored by more than 100 House Democrats. A number of 2020 Democratic presidential hopefuls have given their support to similar “Medicare-for-all” plans -- including Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., who introduced a new version last month -- though the proposal has seen skepticism from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.

    The displacement of private insurance workers would be inevitable under the kind of sweeping overhaul being proposed -- as would the transfer of millions of patients off their current policies, an issue that has proved a thorny one on the campaign trail.

    The text of Jayapal’s bill makes clear that private policies largely would be eliminated. One clause in the bill makes it “unlawful” for a private health insurer “to sell health insurance coverage that duplicates the benefits provided under this Act.” The text prohibits employers from doing the same.

    The proposal took a step forward this week as the House Rules Committee held a hearing to look at the bill, with Republicans warning that the price tag could be as high as $32 trillion and describing the plan as a form of socialism.

    “Medicare-for-All would require all Americans to pay more in taxes, wait longer for care and receive potentially worse care, even worse it would put our existing Medicare recipients at risk,” Rep. Tom Cole, R-Okla., said



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    No idea why they feel the need to make this so complicated. You can guarantee health care to everyone without completely remaking your system.

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    All they need to do is go back to what we had before ACA. Get rid of pre existing conditions and geographic boundaries for insurance plans. Can't be any worse than it is now.

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    Can't they just get all the insurance providers in a room and say "you will offer this base plan to all citizens. If you won't offer it then we don't license you? It will cost "insert number here" and we will pay you for it. We will then get out of the health care business completely". This isn't super complicated.

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    Interesting story i read today

    Why desperate Americans are driving to Canada in caravans for insulin
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    Novartis gets FDA approval for a drug that treats spinal muscular atrophy in infants using gene therapy. Thats the good news. The bad news is they are going to charge 2.1 million for it.

    I have some experience with Novartis. I take one of their cancer drugs called Votrient. I have been on it for 2 years now. Its working but does not work forever as the cancer figures it out in some way too complicated for me to describe. My drug currently is 13000 a month via Walmart it goes up every January. Its more at other pharmacies. I figure if they ever come out with the actual cure for cancers its going to be even more than 2.1 million. The good thing about Novartis is they will help you find assistance to pay and their income level for Votrient is pretty high on copay assistance as Medicare part D only pays about 85% of tier 5 drugs thanks to congress and George Bush Jr.

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    I don't mind these companies having a short period where they can charge insane rates to recoup their r&d spending. it's the Martin Shkreli's of the world that need to be stopped.

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