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    I don’t know, I’m not sure it’s best for government to reward or punish how people spend their income. It’s taxed already when it is earned. People putting off consumption now for the chance at a little more down the road—all the whole someone else using it productively—is a good thing. If we are going to do it, incentivizing saving and investment seems like a thing we should reward with a lower tax, if it’s going to be double taxed in the first place.


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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    We'd be well served to stop taking capital gains at a much lower rate than someone who earned the income. Never understood the thought of "if you work your ass off you pay X dollars on your income but if you make your money via investments you pay at a much lower rate". But I don't believe in wealth taxes and estate taxes. Just tax all income in the same manner and have a progressive tax system and none of that is even worthy of discussion.
    I think it is to incentivise investment.

    The money that you invest has already been taxed when it was earned so the theory is it shouldn't be taxed again if it's invested.

    Again, for me have a flat tax and call it good.
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    FBI now officially treating Epstein as a criminal case.

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    Geezus, California.

    You give us Schiff, Pelosi, Waters, and now this guy...

    https://news.google.com/articles/CAI...S&ceid=US%3Aen

    I just don't get it.
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    I have a hard time believing that mic would pick that up in a noisy room. Seems far more likely someone in the studio’s cell phone was on a table near a mic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrin Stephens View Post
    FBI now officially treating Epstein as a criminal case.

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    I don't get how associates like Ghislaine Maxwell have been running around free since Epstein's death. And no one can figure out who claimed his body?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Get The Show On The Road View Post
    Geezus, California.

    You give us Schiff, Pelosi, Waters, and now this guy...

    https://news.google.com/articles/CAI...S&ceid=US%3Aen

    I just don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    I have a hard time believing that mic would pick that up in a noisy room. Seems far more likely someone in the studio’s cell phone was on a table near a mic.

    What if it was Trump?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 47 View Post
    What if it was Trump?
    Impeachment?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlindtotheWorld View Post
    Impeachment?!
    Well half the people would, the other half would claim it was the most perfect one in history, the room smelt much better afterwards. Sadly that is what we have become in dialogue on both sides


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    Quote Originally Posted by T.B. View Post
    "Jumping jack flash it's a gas gas gas!"
    The Dems either run everything or force everyone to cave. America was a land of great potential at one point, but not anymore. We are living at the start of the decline... It will get much worse for younger generations.

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    The Dems either run everything or force everyone to cave. America was a land of great potential at one point, but not anymore. We are living at the start of the decline... It will get much worse for younger generations.
    All by design. Tear it down to its bare bones and build it back up under your rule. Sounds familiar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheresOnlyOneWay View Post
    All by design. Tear it down to its bare bones and build it back up under your rule. Sounds familiar.
    They’re a cult.

    They’re ideology functions very much like a religion. They think it’s acceptable since it isn’t one in the traditional sense.

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    Documents reveal massive 'dark-money' group boosted Democrats in 2018

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    A little-known nonprofit called The Sixteen Thirty Fund pumped $140 million into Democratic and left-leaning causes.

    The “green wave” of campaign cash that boosted Democrats and liberal causes in 2018 included an unprecedented gusher of secret money, new documents obtained by POLITICO show.

    The Sixteen Thirty Fund, a little-known nonprofit headquartered in Washington, spent $141 million on more than 100 left-leaning causes during the midterm election year, according to a new tax filing from the group. The money contributed to efforts ranging from fighting Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh and other Trump judicial nominees to boosting ballot measures raising the minimum wage and changing laws on voting and redistricting in numerous states.


    The spending was fueled by massive anonymous donations, including one gift totaling $51.7 million. That single donation was more than the group had ever raised before in an entire year before President Donald Trump was elected. Most of the group's funders are likely to remain a mystery because federal law does not require "social welfare"-focused nonprofits to reveal their donors.
    The group's 2018 fundraising surpassed any amount ever raised by a left-leaning political nonprofit, according to experts, who pointed to the Koch network and the Crossroads network as rare right-leaning groups that posted bigger yearly fundraising totals at the height of their powers.

    The Sixteen Thirty Fund’s rise last year is a sign that Democrats and allies have embraced the methods of groups they decried as “dark money” earlier this decade, when they were under attack from the money machines built by conservatives including the Kochs.

    “In terms of the size of dark money networks, there are only a few that have gone into the $100 million-plus range,” said Robert Maguire, the research director for the watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and an expert in political nonprofits.

    “These kinds of totals aren’t unheard of,” Maguire added. “I do think they’re unheard of on the liberal side. I think that’s what’s so striking about this.”

    In an email, Sixteen Thirty Fund executive director Amy Kurtz wrote that the group “provides support to advocates and social welfare organizations around the country, and we are pleased with the growth we had in 2018.”

    Sixteen Thirty Fund played a role in the battle for the House of Representatives in 2018, a crucial contest for Democrats trying to seize back power after Trump’s rise. The election featured dozens of Democratic candidates who decried the influence of money in politics on the campaign trail.


    The nonprofit operated under four dozen different trade names in 2018, many of which have benign-sounding local titles like Arizonans United for Health Care and Floridians for a Fair Shake. POLITICO revealed in 2018 that a number of these linked groups were collectively spending millions of dollars to pressure Republican members of Congress on their stances on health care, taxes and the economy through TV ads and grass-roots organizing.

    A related organization called the Hub Project controlled the flow of money for this effort from Sixteen Thirty Fund into states and districts, according to reporting by The New York Times. This year, the group is “continuing to work on campaigns that Americans care about,” Hub Project spokesman Dan Crawford said, including campaigns focused on health care, taxes and the economy.


    Demand Justice, the courts-focused group helmed by former Hillary Clinton press secretary Brian Fallon, also ran out of Sixteen Thirty Fund. Demand Justice spent millions of dollars on TV ads as Democrats tried to prevent Brett Kavanaugh from being confirmed to the Supreme Court in 2018. More recently, the group projected a video of Christine Blasey Ford accusing Kavanaugh of assault on the side of a truck outside a Washington gala where Kavanaugh was speaking.

    In addition to the direct spending conducted under prominent trade names, Sixteen Thirty Fund also distributed more than $91 million in grants to 95 other groups in 2018, according to the tax filing. These funds made Sixteen Thirty Fund a major source of money for political nonprofits pushing an array of changes to state and federal law.


    More than $27 million of that money went to America Votes, another liberal nonprofit that describes itself as “the coordination hub of the progressive community” on its website. That grant by itself was nearly twice the amount America Votes had ever raised in a single year ($14.2 million), according to federal tax records.

    Sixteen Thirty Fund also directed tens of millions of dollars directly into state-level politics, including a series of successful ballot measures. The group gave $6.25 million to a group urging passage of a Nevada ballot measure promoting automatic voter registration, as well as $6 million to a Michigan group pushing changes to the state’s redistricting process. Another $2.65 million went toward boosting a Florida constitutional amendment restoring voting rights to felons. Groups pushing minimum wage increases in Arkansas, Missouri and other states received millions more.

    More than $10 million flowed from the Sixteen Thirty Fund into Colorado alone, to organizations supporting Democrats in state legislative races and campaigns for statewide office, as well as several more focused on expensive ballot measure campaigns.

    “The ballot initiative process offers an important counterbalance to the failings of partisan politics and we are proud of our support for some of the most impactful and important initiatives of the 2018 cycle,” Kurtz, the Sixteen Thirty Fund executive director, wrote in an email.

    The group does disclose the amount of money of each donation, which shows several strikingly large contributions: One donor gave the group $51,705,000; a second gave $26,747,561 and a third gave $10,000,000. And The Hub Project disclosed three of its donors in 2017: Seattle venture capitalist Nick Hanauer, the union American Federation of Teachers and the Wyss Foundation, founded by businessman and environmentalist Hansjörg Wyss.


    The huge size of Sixteen Thirty Fund and its donations raise questions about whether it has its own independent base of donors or if whether acts as one part of a larger network, said Brett Kappel, campaign finance lawyer at Akerman LLP.

    “When you see a very large contribution — which is more than a third of the money raised — that raises the possibility that other groups are funneling money to this group to distribute to individual states,” said Kappel. “Is this part of a dark money network? And what’s its function?”

    There are some signposts that partly show Sixteen Thirty Fund’s operators and potential sources of its funding. Sixteen Thirty Fund is closely tied to Arabella Advisors, a firm that advises donors and nonprofits about where to give money and was founded by former Clinton administration appointee Eric Kessler. Kessler is president and chair of Sixteen Thirty Fund, and Arabella Advisors provides “business and administrative services” to the nonprofit, according to the tax filing.

    Several of the biggest donors and organizations in Democratic politics also have public links to Sixteen Thirty Fund. Potential presidential candidate and megadonor Michael Bloomberg gave $250,000 to a super PAC linked to Sixteen Thirty Fund, Change Now, in 2018. And the Democratic donor group Democracy Alliance, which has dozens of members including billionaire George Soros, recommended last spring that donors invest several million dollars into Sixteen Thirty Fund, according to documents obtained at the time by POLITICO.






    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...midterm-071725
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