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    I'd like to discuss this song without the usual hate and bullshit.

    Listen to the song again and don't be an ass. Put yourself in Ed's socks maybe. I hear his voice in all of it.

    No offense, but if you hate it... don't bother punching the keys. We know you hate it and that's cool.

    Personally, the piano and Ed's vocals move me to try and understand him as more than a guitar hero.

    This is hard to word the right way... but someone out there has to have a different take on it all instead of "it sucks"

    I even kept this out of main, hoping no one over there will see it.
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    I'm on record for saying it, yet will reiterate - I don't mind the song. I love the piano playing, and can picture walking into a smokey jazz club and seeing some cat pull this music off. The lyrics are pretty deep and humbling, imo. I even like Ed's raspy voice is certain parts. Don't care for the chorus, which is weird for a VH song, yet appreciate the song for what it is overall.

    Just like the album's opening track, this record/era was a whole 'new world' for Edward. Albeit a short period...
    He talked about spirituality more, and how humans were born buck naked & pure. No egos, toxins, or hatred etc. He called it "zero point".

    Not everyone gets it, yet I understand what be was going for with this release... Consider me one of the few who were touched by this album.

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    I think this should have been a bonus track and not an album-closer.
    It's an interesting song to listen to but not something I'm blasting in my car...especially after 'Ballot or the Bullet'.
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    Ok.

    I am following your parameters.

    I like the first 0:57, and then it becomes unlistenable to me. Honest truth, no piling on.
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    It reminds me a little of what Roger Waters did on The Final Cut. Deeply personal work that doesn't really take into account the rest of the band. If the band wasn't named after him, I could have seen Ed leaving (or being pushed out) and striking out solo after III.

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    I agree with CF, it almost has a Roger Waters kinda feel.

    I think the biggest throw off is the doubling up on the singing. I'd like to hear it with only Ed.

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    I've always looked at HMSI as a R.Waters type song too. I remember Ed mentioning Waters and Tom Waits in regard to it and although I'm not to familiar with Waits stuff, I'm a big Waters fan and could definitely here him sing it. The Lost Boys Calling thing with Waters & EVH was released in '99. I wonder when that song was actually written? Maybe Ed picked up on Waters vibe when he wrote HMSI?

    I like the song. Its not a great VH song, but its a good song. Gary hits some high fucking notes in it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RRvh1 View Post
    I love the piano playing. The lyrics are pretty deep and humbling. I even like Ed's raspy voice is certain parts. Don't care for the chorus, which is weird for a VH song.

    Not everyone gets it, yet I understand what be was going for with this release... Consider me one of the few who were touched by this album.
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    I think this should have been a bonus track and not an album-closer. It's an interesting song to listen to but not something I'm blasting in my car.

    ...I'd have to agree with all of the above comments.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchie5150 View Post
    The Lost Boys Calling thing with Waters & EVH was released in '99. I wonder when that song was actually written? Maybe Ed picked up on Waters vibe when he wrote HMSI?
    I know Ed made a point in a couple of interview at the time compare HMSI to a "Roger Waters kinda vibe" (which IS obvious), and I knew Ed worked on Waters' "Lost Boys Calling" thing, but I never made to connection as to the timing of the two recordings...you may be on to something there, Dutchie.

    ...as for my breakdown and notes:

    0:00-0:58 - I really do like the piano intro/instrumental here. And honestly, I think Van Halen has missed out on doing a little more of this throughout their career: Taking one cut on the album and starting with a scratch "free form" intro/loose jam and morphing it into a full on song...whether it be a "4 on the floor" balls-out rocker or something more atmospheric like this.

    0:59-1:55 - I don't find anything wrong with this first verse and prechorus section at all.

    1:56-2:10 - Yep, this is where they lost me. The chorus just needs to go. Something else...a HOOK. Even with some of the more "experimental" or "outside the box" compositions that VH has given us over the years, we are still accustomed to the HOOK.

    2:11-2:48 - Second verse, same as the first...and after the no hook chorus, this is starting to plod along. This is where the band should have came in ala "Not Enough" to at least propel things forward a little. And actually, if you listen, there ARE elements of "Not Enough" sprinkled here and there in this thing.

    2:49-3:19 - Ugh, more of that blasted chorus. Boo.

    3:20-3:45 - Another beautiful little instrumental passage...and, in all honesty, the song could (should?) have ended here.

    3:45-end - IF this song continued on, it needed to build, become more atmospheric...just become MORE. Along the lines of "Humans Being", "Respect the Wind", "Not Enough", the outro in the '95 live version of "Eagles Fly", ANYTHING else.

    Overall...it's just not what we as VH fans had ever been shown before. Ed and the band have taken left turns on us before, but with HMSI, Ed takes us completely off the map. And there are just enough elements to the song that it "almost" feels "close" to our familiar VH, but it just isn't, in EVERY aspect of the song.

    HMSI just reminds me more of what I would hear in a Broadway musical than from The Mighty VH.

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    Very good catch on the Roger Waters influence. Didn't Ed also mention he tried to channel a Tom Waits vibe, vocally?

    I agree that it's very left field on a VH record, yet the fact it's included should surprise no one, as they've thrown us curve balls before. I definitely don't think it should've been an encore on the III tour. Maybe earlier in the set on select dates? Ie: the pee break moment for some, like bass & drum solos, or Sam's acoustic spot.

    Regarding the album version, no way should it have been placed earlier, imo. Would've disrupted an already challenging album. Again, imo.

    Best to tag it at the end. Much like Jake E. Lee did later on, with his piano piece Exquisite Tenderness, from the RDC album...
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    I really like the piano intro by Ed. Part of it sounds a bit like a piano piece that's in the original Terminator.

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    I would like to see Ed do a classical album on Piano and Cello.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardv View Post
    I would like to see Ed do a classical album on Piano and Cello.
    He joked about it in 1985, from the GW lengthy feature. Regarding a possible solo album he remarked - "We'll call it Guitar?, What Guitar?" Haha.
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    How many Say "I can't believe I just listened to that song again?"

    Damn you, #47!!!
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