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    As usual, well worth listening to Greg talk all things Van Halen.

    New thing I don't recall hearing before is the idea that Dave wanted to do the movie as a BAND before it became a Dave project. Matches up well with Eddie's "Dave wanted me to do the music" comment. That comment never made sense paired up with "Dave quit the band to make a movie"....why would he ask Eddie to do the music if that part were true?

    That makes me sad. We could have a VH movie right now if the band had been onboard for that.

    Also telling in that Dave had been their guiding force for so long, they had reached a point where they weren't willing to follow his lead any longer. I gotta say I think they should have stuck with him on that one. Our loss.

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    The band movie would've been fun. Maybe like their own 'Hard Days Night'. Van Halen 80's style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harpospoke View Post
    As usual, well worth listening to Greg talk all things Van Halen.

    New thing I don't recall hearing before is the idea that Dave wanted to do the movie as a BAND before it became a Dave project. Matches up well with Eddie's "Dave wanted me to do the music" comment. That comment never made sense paired up with "Dave quit the band to make a movie"....why would he ask Eddie to do the music if that part were true?

    That makes me sad. We could have a VH movie right now if the band had been onboard for that.

    Also telling in that Dave had been their guiding force for so long, they had reached a point where they weren't willing to follow his lead any longer. I gotta say I think they should have stuck with him on that one. Our loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harpospoke View Post
    As usual, well worth listening to Greg talk all things Van Halen.

    New thing I don't recall hearing before is the idea that Dave wanted to do the movie as a BAND before it became a Dave project. Matches up well with Eddie's "Dave wanted me to do the music" comment. That comment never made sense paired up with "Dave quit the band to make a movie"....why would he ask Eddie to do the music if that part were true?

    That makes me sad. We could have a VH movie right now if the band had been onboard for that.

    Also telling in that Dave had been their guiding force for so long, they had reached a point where they weren't willing to follow his lead any longer. I gotta say I think they should have stuck with him on that one. Our loss.

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    I would have to see the treatment to make a definitive judgement, but I've heard the story too that Dave wanted the Van Halen band to write the music and be a part of the project. I don't really see what the big deal about that was from Ed's point of view. Again, unless the treatment was just horrible and it would make Ed, Al, and Mike look like jackasses (which knowing Dave, it may very well have), why not just go along with it? It's certainly better than breaking up the band over it.

    It's another Ed inconsistency. He was more than willing to score "The Wild Life" but he balks when his own singer wants to do a movie project? I love ya Ed, but sometimes you make no fucking sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Get The Show On The Road View Post
    It's another Ed inconsistency. He was more than willing to score "The Wild Life" but he balks when his own singer wants to do a movie project? I love ya Ed, but sometimes you make no fucking sense.
    ahh good point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Get The Show On The Road View Post
    I would have to see the treatment to make a definitive judgement, but I've heard the story too that Dave wanted the Van Halen band to write the music and be a part of the project. I don't really see what the big deal about that was from Ed's point of view. Again, unless the treatment was just horrible and it would make Ed, Al, and Mike look like jackasses (which knowing Dave, it may very well have), why not just go along with it? It's certainly better than breaking up the band over it.

    It's another Ed inconsistency. He was more than willing to score "The Wild Life" but he balks when his own singer wants to do a movie project? I love ya Ed, but sometimes you make no fucking sense.
    True about Ed.

    Make the band look like jackasses? Anymore than the videos did? You do remember Pretty Woman, right?

    Agree, it'd have been a fun movie...probably. Pretty much anything Van Halen did at that point would have probably been pretty good and certainly would have been popular.

    Fact of the matter is, they all finally had some money and some pull from being so popular, and Ed was starting to buck up a bit at Dave being in control of the band. That continued when Sam joined....only Sam was still leading the band, except he started from scratch. That bought us a decade before Ed gained full control and the output mostly ceased.

    I've said this before, but many of the most creative or innovative types of people simply cannot be in charge of something. They are unbelievable at what they do....and that's about it. They can't get anything else actually DONE.

    That's the way Ed is. Put a guitar or piano in front of him, and magic can happen. Put him in charge of a big organization like Van Halen, and he's lost. He also seems (pretty much proven over the years, I'd think) to not be a very good judge of who to partner up with, business-wise.

    So VH's most creative and active years were when Dave (and the record company) was in charge, and when Sam/Ed Leffler were mostly in charge. Leffler was the key in the Sam era. Once they didn't have someone like him, that was it.
    Then they went to a no-talent ass kisser like Ray Daniels.....and then Azoff. But they don't have a record contract anymore, so all a manager does for a band like VH now is book tours. They decided when they want to work, and he makes it happen.

    It's just the cycle that bands that get really big go through: Young and hungry, record company is on their ass to get the next record out, they get it done in a hurry and tour. Rinse and repeat....until they get really big and then their record contract runs out and they "start their own label", or some foolishness like that.
    Then you start hearing how they've been having "creative differences" all along, and chafing under the record company....so now that they have their millions, they are their own bosses...and few of them actually continue to work and put out as much music. Then it starts taking years in between albums.
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    Just my opinion, But that movie would've bombed. Van Halen dodged a bullet there.

    And I don't see any inconsistency in Eddie's decision. Eddie did the Wild Life thing as a little side project as "Eddie Van Halen". He probably thought appearing on Michael Jackson's Beat it as another little side thing. The Roth movie was, according to Greg Renoff in this podcast, going to be a Van Halen movie. Van Halen the band was going to do the music. It would've been part of the Van Halen catalog. Eddie didn't want that. The way I look at it, it sounds like Eddie wanted the focus to be on the band as a unified force--music and touring--not being in the movie business where the music is second fiddle.

    Again this is all speculation. Who knows?
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    And then he got involved in "Sacred Sin". The man makes no fucking sense sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashe View Post
    Just my opinion, But that movie would've bombed. Van Halen dodged a bullet there.

    And I don't see any inconsistency in Eddie's decision. Eddie did the Wild Life thing as a little side project as "Eddie Van Halen". He probably thought appearing on Michael Jackson's Beat it as another little side thing. The Roth movie was, according to Greg Renoff in this podcast, going to be a Van Halen movie. Van Halen the band was going to do the music. It would've been part of the Van Halen catalog. Eddie didn't want that. The way I look at it, it sounds like Eddie wanted the focus to be on the band as a unified force--music and touring--not being in the movie business where the music is second fiddle.

    Again this is all speculation. Who knows?
    Yeah, I can see how Eddie wouldn't want another industry to come before making music...cough...EVH Gear...cough.

    But I get what you are saying. Band movies rarely come across well or paint the bands in a positive light. And after reading DLR's screenplay, yeah, they dodged a bullet, but you could argue they were so huge at the time they could have released an all time dud of a movie and it wouldn't have mattered.
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    DLR's movie script was total shite. Making movies is not the same as making videos. Dave's good at other things - I even enjoyed his radio show. I don't think he has the attention span and attention to details necessary to be a movie director. He works better with shorter formats, that's gonna mesh better with his personality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    Yeah, I can see how Eddie wouldn't want another industry to come before making music...cough...EVH Gear...cough.

    But I get what you are saying. Band movies rarely come across well or paint the bands in a positive light. And after reading DLR's screenplay, yeah, they dodged a bullet, but you could argue they were so huge at the time they could have released an all time dud of a movie and it wouldn't have mattered.
    That movie would have been a gem to have in later years. In the same way that these films are sought after by fans, that movie would have been also.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    Yeah, I can see how Eddie wouldn't want another industry to come before making music...cough...EVH Gear...cough.

    But I get what you are saying. Band movies rarely come across well or paint the bands in a positive light. And after reading DLR's screenplay, yeah, they dodged a bullet, but you could argue they were so huge at the time they could have released an all time dud of a movie and it wouldn't have mattered.
    Teenagers would've seen it, but that's pretty much it. These kinds of movies only sell to the core audience. I think their stock would've been hurt--their first blunder in, up to that point, a stellar career. And these days, it would run on TBS or Spike at 2am in the morning. People would run across it by accident and go, "Oh man, remember this thing? Why did they do this?"

    As for Eddie's guitar company coming first before the music these days, you are correct. I see the point you are making. But context is everything. Eddie's life is much different now. He's not 25 anymore, Van Halen isn't the biggest band in the world, and the recording industry is in the toilet. I'd be really pissed as a fan if he started his guitar company and focused on that in 1986. But now? Go for it, man! You've earned it! I realize this perspective is not popular on these forums--and Hell, I wish he'd make more music too, but I just feel like Eddie has worked hard for everything he has gotten and now he's cashing in during the twilight of his career. Many would do the same in his position. He really has lived the American Dream.

    Also, it'd be a much different story if his products were shit--they aren't. He takes it seriously. He designs the stuff, tests it, uses it (when he does tour...ha ha), and his equipment seems to be pretty well respected by other prominent musicians. Its not just some junk he slaps his name on. Yeah, maybe the flip flops and beach towels are a little much, but I'll give him a pass. He wouldn't sell it if people didn't buy it. Another thing, His company employs a lot of people. He's creating jobs. If he closed up shop tomorrow, that would suck for a lot of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashe View Post
    Teenagers would've seen it, but that's pretty much it. These kinds of movies only sell to the core audience. I think their stock would've been hurt--their first blunder in, up to that point, a stellar career. And these days, it would run on TBS or Spike at 2am in the morning. People would run across it by accident and go, "Oh man, remember this thing? Why did they do this?"

    As for Eddie's guitar company coming first before the music these days, you are correct. I see the point you are making. But context is everything. Eddie's life is much different now. He's not 25 anymore, Van Halen isn't the biggest band in the world, and the recording industry is in the toilet. I'd be really pissed as a fan if he started his guitar company and focused on that in 1986. But now? Go for it, man! You've earned it! I realize this perspective is not popular on these forums--and Hell, I wish he'd make more music too, but I just feel like Eddie has worked hard for everything he has gotten and now he's cashing in during the twilight of his career. Many would do the same in his position. He really has lived the American Dream.

    Also, it'd be a much different story if his products were shit--they aren't. He takes it seriously. He designs the stuff, tests it, uses it (when he does tour...ha ha), and his equipment seems to be pretty well respected by other prominent musicians. Its not just some junk he slaps his name on. Yeah, maybe the flip flops and beach towels are a little much, but I'll give him a pass. He wouldn't sell it if people didn't buy it. Another thing, His company employs a lot of people. He's creating jobs. If he closed up shop tomorrow, that would suck for a lot of people.
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