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    Physicians Decry Pseudo-Science of Transgenderism, ‘Absurd’ to Say Anyone is Born Into ‘Wrong Body’



    by Thomas D. Williams, Ph.D.

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    The American College of Pediatricians (ACP) has released a position paper denouncing popular approaches to transgender, declaring that the current protocol is founded upon “unscientific gender ideology,” which lacks any basis in real evidence.

    The physicians argue that the assumption that gender dysphoria (GD)—a psychological condition in which people experience a marked incongruence between their experienced gender and their biological sex—is innate contradicts all relevant data and is based on ideology rather than science.

    Studies have shown, the authors contend, that the “perspective of an ‘innate gender identity’ arising from prenatally ‘feminized’ or ‘masculinized’ brains trapped in the wrong body is in fact an ideological belief that has no basis in rigorous science.”

    “GD is a problem that resides in the mind not in the body. Children with GD do not have a disordered body—even though they feel as if they do,” the doctors note. “Likewise, although many men with GD express the belief that they are a ‘feminine essence’ trapped in a male body, this belief has no scientific basis.”

    “Conditioning children to believe the absurdity that they or anyone could be ‘born into the wrong body,’ and that a lifetime of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex is normal and healthful is child abuse,” the paper argues.

    The largest study ever of twin transsexual adults found that only 20 percent of identical twins both identified as transgender. Since identical twins contain 100 percent of the same DNA from conception, and develop in exactly the same prenatal environment, if gender identity were innate, the concordance rates would be close to 100 percent—rather than 20 percent.

    Clinical case studies “suggest that social reinforcement, parental psychopathology, family dynamics, and social contagion facilitated by mainstream and social media, all contribute to the development and/or persistence of GD in some vulnerable children,” the paper states. Therefore, treating gender identity as if it were something to be “explored” and “discovered” is completely misguided, the doctors contend.

    In point of fact, studies have shown that gender dysphoria among children is radically reduced when they are not encouraged to impersonate the opposite sex, the authors note. Encouraging gender fluidity and identity experimentation among children is one of the primary causes of gender dysphoria.

    The new ACP paper, titled “Gender Dysphoria in Children,” elaborates on an earlier statement released in the spring, which sent shock waves through the medical community and earned the physicians the wrath of LGBT activists.

    One LGBT advocacy group, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) in Montgomery, AL, placed the American College of Pediatricians on their extensive list of “hate groups,” a list that includes some 900 groups that do not share the SPLC ideology—such as the American Family Association, the Family Research Council and the Jewish Defense League.

    The ACP’s chief crime has been to upset the apple cart by disputing ideologically based, politically correct positions regarding sexuality from the perspective of scientific fact and clinical studies.

    For example, the ACP scientifically disputed the widely held belief that non-heterosexual attractions are inborn or innate, arguing instead the evidence-based position that these attractions develop from the interaction of a multitude of influences in an individual’s life.

    The American College of Pediatricians (ACP) is a national organization of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals, with members in 47 states, and several countries outside of the US.

    The College’s membership includes such luminaries as Dr. Paul McHugh, who was the director of the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Science at the Johns Hopkins University for 27 years, during which time Johns Hopkins was the leading hospital in transgender studies.








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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    Physicians Decry Pseudo-Science of Transgenderism, ‘Absurd’ to Say Anyone is Born Into ‘Wrong Body’



    by Thomas D. Williams, Ph.D.

    7 Aug 2016




    The American College of Pediatricians (ACP) has released a position paper denouncing popular approaches to transgender, declaring that the current protocol is founded upon “unscientific gender ideology,” which lacks any basis in real evidence.

    The physicians argue that the assumption that gender dysphoria (GD)—a psychological condition in which people experience a marked incongruence between their experienced gender and their biological sex—is innate contradicts all relevant data and is based on ideology rather than science.

    Studies have shown, the authors contend, that the “perspective of an ‘innate gender identity’ arising from prenatally ‘feminized’ or ‘masculinized’ brains trapped in the wrong body is in fact an ideological belief that has no basis in rigorous science.”

    “GD is a problem that resides in the mind not in the body. Children with GD do not have a disordered body—even though they feel as if they do,” the doctors note. “Likewise, although many men with GD express the belief that they are a ‘feminine essence’ trapped in a male body, this belief has no scientific basis.”

    “Conditioning children to believe the absurdity that they or anyone could be ‘born into the wrong body,’ and that a lifetime of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex is normal and healthful is child abuse,” the paper argues.

    The largest study ever of twin transsexual adults found that only 20 percent of identical twins both identified as transgender. Since identical twins contain 100 percent of the same DNA from conception, and develop in exactly the same prenatal environment, if gender identity were innate, the concordance rates would be close to 100 percent—rather than 20 percent.

    Clinical case studies “suggest that social reinforcement, parental psychopathology, family dynamics, and social contagion facilitated by mainstream and social media, all contribute to the development and/or persistence of GD in some vulnerable children,” the paper states. Therefore, treating gender identity as if it were something to be “explored” and “discovered” is completely misguided, the doctors contend.

    In point of fact, studies have shown that gender dysphoria among children is radically reduced when they are not encouraged to impersonate the opposite sex, the authors note. Encouraging gender fluidity and identity experimentation among children is one of the primary causes of gender dysphoria.

    The new ACP paper, titled “Gender Dysphoria in Children,” elaborates on an earlier statement released in the spring, which sent shock waves through the medical community and earned the physicians the wrath of LGBT activists.

    One LGBT advocacy group, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) in Montgomery, AL, placed the American College of Pediatricians on their extensive list of “hate groups,” a list that includes some 900 groups that do not share the SPLC ideology—such as the American Family Association, the Family Research Council and the Jewish Defense League.

    The ACP’s chief crime has been to upset the apple cart by disputing ideologically based, politically correct positions regarding sexuality from the perspective of scientific fact and clinical studies.

    For example, the ACP scientifically disputed the widely held belief that non-heterosexual attractions are inborn or innate, arguing instead the evidence-based position that these attractions develop from the interaction of a multitude of influences in an individual’s life.

    The American College of Pediatricians (ACP) is a national organization of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals, with members in 47 states, and several countries outside of the US.

    The College’s membership includes such luminaries as Dr. Paul McHugh, who was the director of the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Science at the Johns Hopkins University for 27 years, during which time Johns Hopkins was the leading hospital in transgender studies.








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    FYI the ACP is a socially conservative group.

    That being said, I agree with their points about transgenderism. It's clearly a discord in the mind, not the body, but that isn't entirely the point. The point is that the discord in the mind is just as troubling as any other discord of the mind. If someone wants to chop off a limb because they feel they should have been born with an issue, or wants to be blind so they pour Drano in their eyes, clearly there is some troubling psychological situation residing there.
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    The little boy who started a sex change aged eight because he (and his lesbian parents) knew he always wanted to be a girl
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news

    A Berkeley, California, lesbian couple started giving their adopted 11-year-old son Tommy GnRH hormone inhibitors this summer.
    At seven years old the boy was diagnosed with gender identity disorder (GID), and at 8 he began transitioning to become Tammy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post
    FYI the ACP is a socially conservative group.

    That being said, I agree with their points about transgenderism. It's clearly a discord in the mind, not the body, but that isn't entirely the point. The point is that the discord in the mind is just as troubling as any other discord of the mind. If someone wants to chop off a limb because they feel they should have been born with an issue, or wants to be blind so they pour Drano in their eyes, clearly there is some troubling psychological situation residing there.
    That's what some of us have been saying all along - that these people have a mental disorder and should be treated as such. Especially children like the poor kid described in the previous post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wruff_ajax View Post
    The little boy who started a sex change aged eight because he (and his lesbian parents) knew he always wanted to be a girl
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news

    A Berkeley, California, lesbian couple started giving their adopted 11-year-old son Tommy GnRH hormone inhibitors this summer.
    At seven years old the boy was diagnosed with gender identity disorder (GID), and at 8 he began transitioning to become Tammy.
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    The homosexual household was a terrible and tragic environment for the little boy to be adopted into.
    PC adoption destroys young lives. Little children should not be adopted by homosexual couples, in my opinion.
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    This is out of step with most major organizations in similar fields, but that's the thing--science is about asking questions and disproof. Dissent is good for progress. Perhaps they're wrong, perhaps they're right, but the discussion is what propels us forward.

    To get an idea of where they are on the spectrum, though, while the majority of the scientific community doesn't see a link between abortion and breast cancer, the ACP does, and Breitbart wrote a story on it based upon an ACP press release. As far as sex education, the ACP endorses abstinence until marriage education.

    So they certainly are right wing, but again, dissent is good. I will say that I don't know why anyone would be in favor or mutilating children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    This is out of step with most major organizations in similar fields, but that's the thing--science is about asking questions and disproof. Dissent is good for progress. Perhaps they're wrong, perhaps they're right, but the discussion is what propels us forward.

    To get an idea of where they are on the spectrum, though, while the majority of the scientific community doesn't see a link between abortion and breast cancer, the ACP does, and Breitbart wrote a story on it based upon an ACP press release. As far as sex education, the ACP endorses abstinence until marriage education.

    So they certainly are right wing, but again, dissent is good. I will say that I don't know why anyone would be in favor or mutilating children.
    They have some pretty reputable people on the ACP. The medical field still classifies this as a mental disorder does it not? Let's face it, it was only until it became a political tool that this was thrust into the public eye.

    The Gay community doesn't fully accept this either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    This is out of step with most major organizations in similar fields, but that's the thing--science is about asking questions and disproof. Dissent is good for progress. Perhaps they're wrong, perhaps they're right, but the discussion is what propels us forward.

    To get an idea of where they are on the spectrum, though, while the majority of the scientific community doesn't see a link between abortion and breast cancer, the ACP does, and Breitbart wrote a story on it based upon an ACP press release. As far as sex education, the ACP endorses abstinence until marriage education.

    So they certainly are right wing, but again, dissent is good. I will say that I don't know why anyone would be in favor or mutilating children.
    People like to shit on "abstinence until marriage education" but no one ever explains what's wrong with it, at least sufficiently to me. There's nothing bad that comes from teaching that so what's the problem with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    They have some pretty reputable people on the ACP. The medical field still classifies this as a mental disorder does it not? Let's face it, it was only until it became a political tool that this was thrust into the public eye.

    The Gay community doesn't fully accept this either.
    I think we should absolutely look at this. I don't know the answers. That's why we ask the questions. Which is why I was supporting this group even if I think they are a bit biased in certain ways.

    The bathroom thing, to me, which is the political hot button, is a different conversation from this one. I would say that the abortion/breast cancer thing screams to me as a right-leaning group trying to find ways to scare people into fewer abortions. Not sure that's great science, but again, it's not unreasonable to pursue it. I'm just uncertain we should put out press releases until the issue is clearer.

    People transitioning and still committing suicide is a big deal. Kids mutilating themselves is a big deal. We should definitely look into this. I don't think that part is political. What we do in the meantime with people who were born one gender but look like the other has become political.

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    People like to shit on "abstinence until marriage education" but no one ever explains what's wrong with it, at least sufficiently to me. There's nothing bad that comes from teaching that so what's the problem with it?
    From a small government perspective, I have a hard time advocating for a program that costs money and has zero impact. On the flip side, comprehensive sex ed doesn't seem to have much of an impact either. Which tells me that instead of hoping for an outcome based upon some sort of strategic sex ed program, perhaps money is best spent simply teaching it straight, where not having sex is mentioned alongside types of birth control and disease protections as ways to protect yourself.

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    People like to shit on "abstinence until marriage education" but no one ever explains what's wrong with it, at least sufficiently to me. There's nothing bad that comes from teaching that so what's the problem with it?
    I would guess that close to 90 % of people have sex before marriage. That's why I would say it doesn't work.
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    The little boy who started a sex change aged eight because he (and his lesbian parents) knew he always wanted to be a girl
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news

    A Berkeley, California, lesbian couple started giving their adopted 11-year-old son Tommy GnRH hormone inhibitors this summer.
    At seven years old the boy was diagnosed with gender identity disorder (GID), and at 8 he began transitioning to become Tammy.
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    The homosexual household was a terrible and tragic environment for the little boy to be adopted into.
    PC adoption destroys young lives. Little children should not be adopted by homosexual couples, in my opinion.
    I know it's only a picture, but damn, that kid looks all kinds of tormented.
    Whatever you wanna do with YOUR life at legal age..Fine....Cut off whatever you want, or get yourself a nice set of bolt-ons...Whatever floats your boat, but these two idiots.....Who the hell do they think they are inflicting their beliefs, or wishful thinking on an 11 yr. old?

    It's one thing to be responsible, and maybe teach tolerance, or whatever, but the kid is probably horribly confused more than anything, and if he/she went to a school anything remotely like mine, probably faces brutal comments from other kids about his family.
    I really feel bad for the kid. Those two idiots......They should be truly investigated for what they are doing to that kids mental health....But then again....With all the PC BS nowadays, would anyone dare to intervene?
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    The little boy who started a sex change aged eight because he (and his lesbian parents) knew he always wanted to be a girl
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news

    A Berkeley, California, lesbian couple started giving their adopted 11-year-old son Tommy GnRH hormone inhibitors this summer.
    At seven years old the boy was diagnosed with gender identity disorder (GID), and at 8 he began transitioning to become Tammy.
    https://imkane.wordpress.com/2011/10...ering-puberty/




    The homosexual household was a terrible and tragic environment for the little boy to be adopted into.
    PC adoption destroys young lives. Little children should not be adopted by homosexual couples, in my opinion.
    where is DCS on this one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cabomiro View Post
    I would guess that close to 90 % of people have sex before marriage. That's why I would say it doesn't work.
    I don't disagree that it doesn't work for some people. Just like telling people not to drink and drive, not to do drugs, not to steal, not to murder, etc doesn't work for some people either. However, the facts are that it is impossible to contract an SDT or have an unwanted pregnancy if you abstain from sex until marriage. Maybe some kid hears this and makes a decisions that spares him a lifetime of problems. It certainly doesn't hurt, IMO.

    I don't think it's a bad idea to hammer that point home while also putting forth the other options that have varying degrees of effectiveness.
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    I think we should absolutely look at this. I don't know the answers. That's why we ask the questions. Which is why I was supporting this group even if I think they are a bit biased in certain ways.

    The bathroom thing, to me, which is the political hot button, is a different conversation from this one. I would say that the abortion/breast cancer thing screams to me as a right-leaning group trying to find ways to scare people into fewer abortions. Not sure that's great science, but again, it's not unreasonable to pursue it. I'm just uncertain we should put out press releases until the issue is clearer.

    People transitioning and still committing suicide is a big deal. Kids mutilating themselves is a big deal. We should definitely look into this. I don't think that part is political. What we do in the meantime with people who were born one gender but look like the other has become political.



    From a small government perspective, I have a hard time advocating for a program that costs money and has zero impact. On the flip side, comprehensive sex ed doesn't seem to have much of an impact either. Which tells me that instead of hoping for an outcome based upon some sort of strategic sex ed program, perhaps money is best spent simply teaching it straight, where not having sex is mentioned alongside types of birth control and disease protections as ways to protect yourself.
    That's where I was going with that comment. We're in complete agreement here.
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