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    How would it have been received? Would their legacy be vastly different? Would Eddie Van Halen be perceived as the guitar legend that he is today? Would the album actually be called 1978?
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    Dear God, VH, please release a new (or reworked demos/club days goodies package/dvd rendering of ANY era) product ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    How would it have been received? Would their legacy be vastly different? Would Eddie Van Halen be perceived as the guitar legend that he is today? Would the album actually be called 1978?
    Think a lot of it was catered for the MTV crowd, so I'd say for 1978 it wouldn't have had the same impact as in 1984.

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    Runnin' with the Devil into Eruption
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    in 1978.

    Question answered.

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    When 1984 came out, people knew VH were a guitar hard rock band. So while Jump can grab the mainstream poppy keyboard crowd, HFT, Panama, GGB etc are expected. If the album had have come out in 1978, starting off with 1984 into Jump for an unknown band would have meant that Edward probably never would have been the guitar hero he is, and the record company would have been pushing very hard for more radio-friendly, keyboard pop songs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRFC View Post
    Runnin' with the Devil into Eruption
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    in 1978.

    Question answered.
    Yeah there would be no guitar hero status for Eddie with 1984. The tone is ok on 1984, but not the real brown sound that guitarists were pinning for in 1978. There is nothing approaching Eruption or I'm the One either. Ozzy would have gotten a Brit on guitar for his band instead of looking for an LA guy and who knows if his solo career takes off. He may not have quit Sabbath at all. No one ever hears of Randy Rhoads and maybe no one would be interested in that Swede who showed up later either since Mike Varney probably never is inspired to start Shrapnel Records. The 80s is heavily synth instead of guitar hair metal.

    Later there is no grunge because there is no hair metal to "revolt" against. The 90s might have been the guitar revolution or gone in a completely different direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harpospoke View Post
    Yeah there would be no guitar hero status for Eddie with 1984. The tone is ok on 1984, but not the real brown sound that guitarists were pinning for in 1978. There is nothing approaching Eruption or I'm the One either. Ozzy would have gotten a Brit on guitar for his band instead of looking for an LA guy and who knows if his solo career takes off. He may not have quit Sabbath at all. No one ever hears of Randy Rhoads and maybe no one would be interested in that Swede who showed up later either since Mike Varney probably never is inspired to start Shrapnel Records. The 80s is heavily synth instead of guitar hair metal.

    Later there is no grunge because there is no hair metal to "revolt" against. The 90s might have been the guitar revolution or gone in a completely different direction.
    I dunno about the "Eddie wouldn't be considered a guitar god" bit. People would've been scratching their head trying to figure out what he was doing in the HFT intro. Couple that with Al's drums and people would be floored.

    HFT doesnt seem as groundbreaking because of what came before it. Remove yourself from knowing anything about Van Halen and that tune would blow people away.

    Add in GGB, along with the hard rockin' but pop friendly Panama, throw in the pure pop of Jump and I'll Wait for good measure and you would have a highly acclaimed debut album that IMO would get more respect than it does because of the variety and because the band that produced it would be an unknown.

    VH1 is my favorite record of all time, but other than LD and ICM, it's pure, unadulterated hard rock with not much nuance.

    So yeah, Ozzy would still go looking for an LA guy.
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    What if 1984 was the last album for 20 years? They still make the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and a tour of the original 4 at that time would have earned 9 figures.

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    I think folks would have recognized Eddie's guitar genius, but I think 1984 and Jump may have lumped them in with Styx.

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    I wouldn't have been as blown away and impressed with 1984.

    The debut is an earthquake.

    1984 is just a very good Rock album.

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    for a start we would be discussing the 1-pack...

    imo, the sound on 1984 is a result of the evolution of vh's style over the previous 5 albums, plus a nod to the slicker more pop sound that developed in 'big rock' the early 80s. It's hard to remove it from that context. Jump would've possibly fared just as well as a single, but would've become even more of an albatross, with most people wondering wtf the rest of the album was about. Maybe.

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    What if VHII had been the debut instead?

    No Eruption on record but only live, during solo spot.

    Same impact?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    What if VHII had been the debut instead?

    No Eruption on record but only live, during solo spot.

    Same impact?
    I love VHII, but it's not nearly as good as the debut album.

    I don't think any of VH's other albums would have had the same impact.
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    1984 still had some GREAT guitar playing on it. I listen to HOP all the time just for the solo.

    the album 1984 would not have happened had Ed not felt the need to take more "control" of the band following DD. No DD, no 1984. Def no jump or 1984 keyboard intro. the album was perfect due to what the band had accomplished prior to it's release. As cool as the breakdown in Panama is, can you imagine some no name guy named Dave Roth trying to pull that off in 1984 with no one knowing who the hell he was? it wouldn't come off nearly as well IMHO. Dave was Dave by 1984, he could do that stuff and it was cool as hell. The background chatter on HFT wouldn't sound nearly as cool if it was done by a no name band.

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    Also early Van Halen hit with such force because it was a bit unpolished but had off the chart energy with a precision be damned attitude lets blow this stage up attitude. It punched listeners in the face and got them attention.

    84 was much more polished and an amazing record but it was a well thought out, executed and delivered package. It is the culmination of the previous 5 so if it was first 84 likely would not sound like 84 as we know it. Also keyboards were well received in the 80's, in the 70's keys were more of a warmer B3 tone than a colder precise synthesizer tone, so the audience would be very different as well.

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