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    Hi all,I got this EVH Striped Series guitar for Christmas and the damned things been giving me nothing but problems

    The Floyd Rose doesnt sit flat against the body,every time I use the whammy it un tunes

    Wont stay in tune at all really

    Had it at the local guitar center to go through their adjustments for 60 bucks still the same

    Now the high E string is way louder then all others,it pops n buzzes when I hit it

    Any ideas tips tricks?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Keep bringing it back to the tech at Guitar Center until they fix it. If there are any problems they should have caught it during the setup and if they have a competent tech they should fix it. Be sure to explain the problem carefully to the tech. Try out the guitar when you pick up the guitar after the tech has finished with it. Play it thoroughly with the tech in front of you. If you find a problem with the set-up or if something isn't to your liking, a competent tech will often adjust the guitar on the spot until it is working to your liking.
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    I'll have to say that I haven't been terribly impressed with the most recent EVH guitars build quality coming from Mexico lately, particularly the Striped Series. Even the Wolf Specials have had some issues. For instance, the one that I recently purchased had the bridge pickup way too close to the strings, and the insulation on the wiring in the control cavity was cut too deep, and was causing the pickups to cut out. I had my local guitar tech re-route the pickup cavities to a proper depth, and had him put a Custom Custom in the bridge while he was doing it. Now the guitar sounds 1000% better, and plays right.

    As far as the Striped Series goes, I've seen a few come through my local guitar shop in the past few months. The majority of them come with the Floyd cocked back and not parallel with the body the way they are supposed to be. Some are more dramatic than others. They have either too aggressively shimmed the neck, or they have the depth of the neck pocket at the body too shallow. The bitch of it is, the pickup route is also shallow, so even if you did route down the neck pocket to get the bridge to sit properly on the body and flat, the strings would be laying on the pickup. Not impressive.

    There is a solution though, and it's fairly simple. Shim the front of the neck pocket to change the angle between the nut and the bridge. It shouldn't take much, maybe the thickness of a matchbook cover. What will happen is that it will raise the strings at the 22nd fret, allowing you to lower the bridge and end up with the proper action with the bridge resting on the body the way it should.

    With any luck, you will still have sufficient clearance between the pickup and the strings for it to sound right. From what I've seen though, you may have to route out the pickup cavity a bit to get the clearance correct. There is a nifty little gadget that will allow you to adjust the height of a body-mounted pickup at FU Tone:

    http://www.fu-tone.com/catalog/index...roducts_id=261

    If the cavity were routed a little deeper, you could put one of these in and adjust the pickup height to where it sounds best, which can make a huge difference on these guitars. There is definitely a sweet spot on these pickups, and it is a little farther from the strings than you might expect. When you get these too close to the strings, you tend to get a lot of unwanted string noise and a harsh tone, which is what you might be noticing on your guitar now.

    I think it's really too bad that the build quality of this brand has gone downhill since they moved production to Mexico. All the components to make a really good guitar are there, it's just the assembly is not getting as much attention as it should. Seems to be very inconsistent to say the least.
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    I agree with nobozos, but I will say that I've never encountered a brand new guitar that didn't need setup and adjustment and tweaking for everything to work properly.

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    check the floyd nut. Ensure the two allen screws are tight. If those screws are not snug the guitar will NOT stay in tune and will go out all the time. The last 3 EVH guitars I have bought I have found this to be the case. As far as the floyd ensure your tech adjusts it so the bridge sits flush to the body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garbeaj View Post
    I agree with nobozos, but I will say that I've never encountered a brand new guitar that didn't need setup and adjustment and tweaking for everything to work properly.
    Oh, I agree with you to a point. Yes, I don't have the expectation that a guitar will have properly adjusted neck relief, or intonation from the factory. What I would expect is that the guitar is properly routed so as to facilitate a proper set-up. These guitars aren't even close. If you were to adjust the bridge so that it rests on the body properly on some of these guitars, it would be un-playable, because the strings would be laying on the pickup. That is a manufacturing defect on many levels. First, the neck pocket is too shallow at the body. -or- Second, the pickup cavity is routed too shallow to allow proper setup of the instrument. Or both. My suspicion is that they routed the pickup cavities on these too shallow, and rather than fixing it after the time it took to paint them, they just shimmed the neck and adjusted the bridge to compensate for the height of the pickup.

    On a guitar where you can't lower the pickup, it seems pretty important to make sure there is sufficient clearance to allow proper adjustment of the bridge. EVH Charvel did it. EVH USA does it. EVH MIC and MIJ did it. EVH managed to do it in Mexico until recently. These latest ones are just terrible.
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    I was looking at two new Wolf Standards recently. Severe backwards tilt to both Floyd's, as the posts were clearly too high... Insanely poor action. I asked the sales clerk if a $900.00 guitar came with a free setup? "Oh, these guitars come properly set up from the factory."

    Riiiiigghhht... Pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RRvh1 View Post
    I was looking at two new Wolf Standards recently. Severe backwards tilt to both Floyd's, as the posts were clearly too high... Insanely poor action. I asked the sales clerk if a $900.00 guitar came with a free setup? "Oh, these guitars come properly set up from the factory."

    Riiiiigghhht... Pass.
    $900 for a Standard? I hope you mean the special.

    Did you all see the most recent Ed interview? Where he talks about how many complaints he heard about Peavey's not being set up properly and going to the headquarters and throwing a guitar across the room and saying "Now tell me it's fucking because of shipping?"

    I wonder if he knows about these issues now or is ignoring them.

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    Yes, the Standards were selling for $809.00 plus tax, when I was in the store... I'm talking about the trans blue and purple quilts, not the slightly cheaper solid color models.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RRvh1 View Post
    Yes, the Standards were selling for $809.00 plus tax, when I was in the store... I'm talking about the trans blue and purple quilts, not the slightly cheaper solid color models.
    Oh I'm sorry bro, I forgot you were in Canada! That's steep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaminub View Post
    Oh I'm sorry bro, I forgot you were in Canada! That's steep.
    Yeah, that good 'ol exchange rate can be a kick to the groin. I've obviously seen them cheaper online, yet when you figure in the currency differences and customs/import tariffs, you're no further ahead...

    Not to mention gear that can possibly be damaged in transit, and the hassle of return shipping!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaminub View Post
    $900 for a Standard? I hope you mean the special.

    Did you all see the most recent Ed interview? Where he talks about how many complaints he heard about Peavey's not being set up properly and going to the headquarters and throwing a guitar across the room and saying "Now tell me it's fucking because of shipping?"

    I wonder if he knows about these issues now or is ignoring them.
    Except for the EXP Peavey Wolfs, I've never found a single one that played badly. Every one that I ever picked up new out of the case was set up and most of the time in-tune. I'm not sure where all these problems were, but I never saw one with the Peavey stuff.

    One thing is for sure, FMIC is fucking these guitars up, and they need to be called on it. I miss the good 'ole days of EBMM. I'd rather wait 6 months for a custom shop quality guitar, than get a guitar right now and have to take it to a luthier to get it to play the way it should.
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    Wow man! That's terrible you're dealing with all this. All the guys suggestions are totally right. Take it back again, and stand firm that you've paid to get this fixed, and it still isn't right. If they give you any flack, then talk to the manager, and explain it to him directly, and ask him if they have an actual outside luthier service available to take a look, or at least assess the situation. The fact is most "big box" guitar stores do retain and utilize the services of a dedicated shop on occasion for tougher jobs, or warranty assessment.

    A few things I'm thinking off the top is an improper neck pocket route...Possibly some slop there in addition, a loose locking nut, and another often overlooked area is a bad manufacturing flaw resulting in poor tremolo mechanism geometry and/or bad trem springs...ie, the spring claw could have been drilled off angle, and could be adding some unwanted friction or torque to the spring not allowing the trem to return to pitch accurately.

    Trem springs themselves can be a major culprit...especially on overseas or Mexican models. Very often they tend to use generic trem springs which at worst, can be stiff, unresponsive right of the box, and even worse than that, can feel okay new, but in short order, can work harden, get stiffer over time, or even weaken and stretch. You just end up chasing tuning issues, and trem setups with something so simple.
    I always tell people when they buy an offshore guitar to do is take off the trem cavity cover. If the springs have a nice nickle or chrome appearance, they should be ok. If they are dull grey, or look rough, then pitch them right away, and go get some Fender, or Floyd specific mid to high priced Floyd Rose springs from say Allparts at your local store, or Stewmac on line.
    They are absolutely worth it.

    I think I mentioned this in another thread, but a friends Dean had this problem, and he fought with Long & Mcquade (kinda like a Canadian Guitar Center these days) past the warranty over it. If he used the Floyd, or even rested his hand on it too hard for a mute, it would not return to pitch.
    The spring claw was drilled too high, and at a very steep angle, so what was happening was the spring loops were actually binding and levering on the flats of the claw between the hooks. Totally unacceptable.
    I had to oversize drill, and epoxy mahogany plugs in the guitar, and using one of my old FR templates, re-drill and install the claw properly.
    His was a floating Floyd, so obviously a much more sensitive balance, but flush mount can still exhibit these problems because of slight tension variation because even flush mounted, you usually set the tension on the claw to provide a smooth feeling action with the bar in use, so really, there is not much actual force against the surface of the guitar.

    These are all very basic things that ANY shop that sells guitars in volume should be able to figure out.
    It's not rocket science to tighten a screwdriver, or gauge neck angle....even checking the pickup depth. It's not hard, and they should have done this by now.

    Just stand firm, and get this store to own up to a poor set up.
    If this guitar is a turkey, then they should replace it. This is part of the reason I say ask if they have an outside specialist that handles warranty work. Usually they are far less biased, and will be very up front, and tell it like it is to the store management.
    Good luck man, and keep us up to date.
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