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    Default The Mt. Rushmore of sports

    So, if we assume Ali is one member of the Mount Rushmore of sports (I believe he is), who are the other three who had a similar impact on society/culture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotty View Post
    So, if we assume Ali is one member of the Mount Rushmore of sports (I believe he is), who are the other three who had a similar impact on society/culture?
    Micheal Jordan/Pele/Babe Ruth ???


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotty View Post
    So, if we assume Ali is one member of the Mount Rushmore of sports (I believe he is), who are the other three who had a similar impact on society/culture?
    Man, that's a tough one Scotty. It would have to be a huge mountain with more than 4. So many to chose from and hard to narrow down.

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    So, if we assume Ali is one member of the Mount Rushmore of sports (I believe he is), who are the other three who had a similar impact on society/culture?
    Ali is certainly one. Pele is certainly another. The other two aren't as obvious. I think in North America we make the mistake of just adding the best team sport player from our sports (Jordan, Gretzky, etc) but those sports don't translate the way boxing did then and soccer always has. They also didn't have the impact away from the sport that Ali and Pele did. Interesting the two guys we are all agree are the greatest ever aren't white. Damn we're racists.

    Sadly, I don't know if we'll ever get another that shape sports/society types since athletes are trained in PR so much that they say nothing. Jordan (the greatest basketball ever imo) had no impact, nor did Gretzky (the greatest hockey player ever) no real impact off the ice, no football player (maybe Jim Brown) either. Jesse Owens would be a credible 3rd guy I'd argue because of what he did and what it meant.

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    One person that comes to mind is Vince Lombardi. He definitely had some impact on how football moved forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    Ali is certainly one. Pele is certainly another. The other two aren't as obvious. I think in North America we make the mistake of just adding the best team sport player from our sports (Jordan, Gretzky, etc) but those sports don't translate the way boxing did then and soccer always has. They also didn't have the impact away from the sport that Ali and Pele did. Interesting the two guys we are all agree are the greatest ever aren't white. Damn we're racists.

    Sadly, I don't know if we'll ever get another that shape sports/society types since athletes are trained in PR so much that they say nothing. Jordan (the greatest basketball ever imo) had no impact, nor did Gretzky (the greatest hockey player ever) no real impact off the ice, no football player (maybe Jim Brown) either. Jesse Owens would be a credible 3rd guy I'd argue because of what he did and what it meant.
    I disagree with your assessment of Jordan. Nobody tapped into the endorsement possibilities before Jordan the way he did. He was all over the place for several years. To say he had no impact off the court is pretty dismissive of what a lucrative figure he was away from basketball. You might hate him but he was a global icon, and for a time, hoops was probably the fastest growing sport in the world.

    I would put Jordan and Babe Ruth up there. I do agree that in our ultra politically correct world today, there probably won't be another sports star that has the same kind of social impact on society, good or bad, that Ali had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve mcqueen View Post
    Micheal Jordan/Pele/Babe Ruth ???


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    As someone with a lot of Italian blood, it's always disappointing to see Rocky Marciano so often forgotten. The man beat everyone put in front of him. 49-0 is still 49-0. With 43 KOs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    Ali is certainly one. Pele is certainly another. The other two aren't as obvious. I think in North America we make the mistake of just adding the best team sport player from our sports (Jordan, Gretzky, etc) but those sports don't translate the way boxing did then and soccer always has. They also didn't have the impact away from the sport that Ali and Pele did. Interesting the two guys we are all agree are the greatest ever aren't white. Damn we're racists.

    Sadly, I don't know if we'll ever get another that shape sports/society types since athletes are trained in PR so much that they say nothing. Jordan (the greatest basketball ever imo) had no impact, nor did Gretzky (the greatest hockey player ever) no real impact off the ice, no football player (maybe Jim Brown) either. Jesse Owens would be a credible 3rd guy I'd argue because of what he did and what it meant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve mcqueen View Post
    Jackie Robinson?


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    Quote Originally Posted by steve mcqueen View Post
    Jackie Robinson?


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    I'll stick with my original 4...simply because any one those guys could walk into any room in the world and everyone would know who they are....I'm not sure we could say that about Jackie, Gretzky or Jim Brown.


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    Quote Originally Posted by steve mcqueen View Post
    I'll stick with my original 4...simply because any one those guys could walk into any room in the world and everyone would know who they are....I'm not sure we could say that about Jackie, Gretzky or Jim Brown.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JUNGLE DRUMMER View Post
    I disagree with your assessment of Jordan. Nobody tapped into the endorsement possibilities before Jordan the way he did. He was all over the place for several years. To say he had no impact off the court is pretty dismissive of what a lucrative figure he was away from basketball. You might hate him but he was a global icon, and for a time, hoops was probably the fastest growing sport in the world.

    I would put Jordan and Babe Ruth up there. I do agree that in our ultra politically correct world today, there probably won't be another sports star that has the same kind of social impact on society, good or bad, that Ali had.
    I hate Jordan but I'm not discounting his importance. I just think off the field importance as made society better. Not lined pockets via Nike. Nothing wrong with that. But when Jordan dies it won't be like Ali or Pele.

 

 

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