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    Default Why is the U.S. arming Vietnam?

    President Barack Obama's announcement Monday that he was lifting the ban on the sale of weapons to Vietnam sent one message to the former U.S. wartime foe and another to the region.

    By ending the ban, the U.S. is signaling its desire to leave behind decades of tense post-war relations with Vietnam and start a new phase of closer economic and military ties -- one facet of the "rebalance" toward Asia that's central to the president's foreign policy legacy.

    In the last few years, China has become increasingly aggressive about its claims to maritime rights in the South China Sea, an area rich in fishing resources and, it's believed, oil and mineral reserves that lie beneath the seabed.

    There's also a strong economic component behind the decision to lift the ban. The Obama administration has made Asia a centerpiece of its larger foreign policy strategy, seeing the region and its burgeoning middle classes as central to future U.S. economic growth: an enormous market for American exports that can create jobs at home.

    Vietnam fits neatly into that vision. It is one of the most pro-American countries in the region, according to a 2015 Pew Survey that found 76 percent of Vietnamese see the U.S. favorably (while fewer than 20 percent saw China favorably). Vietnam is also a party to the Trans Pacific Partnership trade pact that the administration has been championing. The U.S. is the country's seventh-largest investor with trade between the countries worth $44.5 billion last year.

    An IHS analysis found that Vietnam needs improved maritime-security capabilities, including maritime patrol aircraft, coastal radars, and naval craft including coastal patrol vessels -- all of which U.S. companies can sell to Hanoi.

    And an added benefit is that those sales now won't necessarily go to Russia, a longtime Vietnam supplier.

    "With the ban lifted in full, Vietnam is finally shedding Moscow's influence and will be able to purchase land systems and a wider spectrum of military aerospace platforms and systems from the U.S." that will support its efforts to modernize, Grevatt and Burton wrote.

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    What China is doing has dangerous, long term repercussions, as other countries will start doing the same.

    Ever since WWII, there has been restraint among countries about extended national air space and water rights unreasonably beyond their own borders, as it was believed, and rightly so, that a large amount of international water and air space was good for international trade and also as a war deterrent.

    What China is doing is trying to make all travel in the China Sea as travel on Chinese territory and therefore subject to Chinese law.

    It's dangerous to trade, it's dangerous to peace, and it has the prospect of other countries doing the same to try and protect themselves, which would limit international water and air space, and make confrontations between air craft and ocean vessels a more common occurrence. The more confrontations you have, the more it can escalate.

    We're facing a new cold war with China, much like the one we had with the USSR, and countries like Vietnam are allies that we need in the cold war to come.

    It makes me nervous.
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    I agree with you on the coming Chinese cold war. Ever since Nixon opened the door with these guys they have done all they could to do to to disrupt US policy and our economy. I think tricky Dick told Mao that the deal he was going to offer him in regards to trade was you make it we buy it. Now they have the biggest military in the world with state of the art weapons and lots of nukes. It just sickens me that the whole war in Nam was a waste of human life on both sides. The guys who returned were and are basket cases there's a few who adjusted but the death of vets from alcohol and drugs is huge not to mention those with missing body parts and agent orange related cancers and disease. I know a vet who was a silver star Marine he has gone blind now from agent orange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardv View Post
    I agree with you on the coming Chinese cold war. Ever since Nixon opened the door with these guys they have done all they could to do to to disrupt US policy and our economy. I think tricky Dick told Mao that the deal he was going to offer him in regards to trade was you make it we buy it. Now they have the biggest military in the world with state of the art weapons and lots of nukes. It just sickens me that the whole war in Nam was a waste of human life on both sides. The guys who returned were and are basket cases there's a few who adjusted but the death of vets from alcohol and drugs is huge not to mention those with missing body parts and agent orange related cancers and disease. I know a vet who was a silver star Marine he has gone blind now from agent orange.
    That's sad.

    I don't even think Mao could have predicted the things that are going on now.


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    Yeah, China's gonna love this.

    Who woulda seen this 25, heck even 10 years ago?
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