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    Default Help me lower action on my EVH WG Special please.

    I have a MIC Stealth. Love everything about it but the action is too high. Had it in the shop a couple times but I don't think they know Floyds well, last time I got it back and it had a full float going so I figured I better figure this stuff out myself.
    Anyway, we have tried shimming the neck but it still didn't help enough. Right now I'm getting some buzzing on the e b g strings on the first few frets and also some buzzing past the 12th and just lowering the bridge makes that worse.
    At this point I'm not sure if adding/taking relief from the neck is the next move or not so any input would be greatly appreciated.

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    Cant do pics, is there something I should be looking for regarding the saddles? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by monty4 View Post
    Cant do pics, is there something I should be looking for regarding the saddles? Thanks!
    Yes. Speaks of intonation and where pressure on the strings are.

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    You mentioned that lowering the bridge causes even more buzzing, yet the Wolf guitars are meant to have the bridge flush on the body...
    Is that the case with yours? Reason being, is that if the bridge is flat on the body, then the other possible issues - neck shims, nut height, truss rod relief, etc. can be addressed.

    You also mentioned having your guitar in for setup work. Are there any high/loose frets? Too bad you can't post some side angle pics of the bridge, neck, and nut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuddman5150 View Post
    Yes. Speaks of intonation and where pressure on the strings are.
    Certain saddles should also have shims under them as well, to match the radius of the neck, right?
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    Certain saddles should also have shims under them as well, to match the radius of the neck, right?
    Not necessarily but some saddles are different and if one or so is switched they'll buzz. Some saddles are shimmed. I never have done that. I like my action higher than Scott weiland.

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    Need shim under the locking nut.
    The proper action should be 1.25 to 1.5 mm at the 12th fret to the bottom of the string.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RRvh1 View Post
    You mentioned that lowering the bridge causes even more buzzing, yet the Wolf guitars are meant to have the bridge flush on the body...
    Is that the case with yours? Reason being, is that if the bridge is flat on the body, then the other possible issues - neck shims, nut height, truss rod relief, etc. can be addressed.

    You also mentioned having your guitar in for setup work. Are there any high/loose frets? Too bad you can't post some side angle pics of the bridge, neck, and nut.
    Frets are fine, they looked at that.

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    Certain saddles should also have shims under them as well, to match the radius of the neck, right?
    Yeah, those look OK too I checked to make sure they were in the right order also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evhintexas View Post
    Need shim under the locking nut.
    The proper action should be 1.25 to 1.5 mm at the 12th fret to the bottom of the string.
    Action is closer to 2mm than 1.5 unfortunately. From reading past threads on here I was curious about the nut also. Seems to be high enough judging by eye but I'm no expert with Floyds. Anyway I can measure or test before I have that taken apart also?

    Thanks so far guys, really appreciate the help.

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    Take the top of the nut off. The three pieces and check to see if the thru the neck bolts are to high or sticking thru too much
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    Quote Originally Posted by evhintexas View Post
    Take the top of the nut off. The three pieces and check to see if the thru the neck bolts are to high or sticking thru too much
    Ok, just checked- they don't looks too high. When I first got the axe however I did have to tighten them because I was having the same prob a lot of members here were having with it not staying in tune.

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    1 - stop everything : if you've taken it to a shop that you believe doesn't understand floyds and made the guitar float on its trem, they messed with your neck's shimming, relief, and saddles. That means nothing is at factory specifications anymore and everything you find on it will be incorrect.

    2 - if there are any shims in the neck pocket take them out.

    3 - use a straight edge that's about 12 to 13 inches long, and make sure your neck is straight. Bow back or forward bow.

    4 - If they shimmed any saddles, throw that crap out & reset them all evenly (you will have to intonate later)

    5 - make sure the floyd rests on the the body

    6 - you need a millimeter tape measure to see the height of the the low e & high e from the 22nd fret. From there decisions can be made as to what to do.

    PS - never go to a shop that doesn't understand the nuances of Ed.

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    this is such a tough thread to troubleshoot without actually looking at the guitar to see whats going on. First off floaters are hard to work with at least they are for me. All my floyds are flush on the body (except my Berger Trans Trem but thats a whole other beast) and adjustments are typically made from a combination of,

    lowering the pivot screws to desired height
    truss rod adjustment (usually minimal unless your fixing someones mess up)
    shimming or removing shimming from nut
    or even shimming in neck pocket

    very rarely do I ever see shimming under the saddles. I always have other ways to handle it without doing that. Basically general rule of thumb for me (and I do this to all my guitars and its worked for me for 20 years and always gives me nice low EVH actions) is to start with a flush mounted bridge and with lowering the floyd by pivot screws and then checking buzz..... if any buzz I make a slight adjust ment to the truss rod and check. If that does not work I check to see if there are shims under the nut and remove them and then check and adjust pivot screws and truss rod again. Basically you play this game going back and forth, back and forth until you get the dersired string height and playability. Then I always check the claw screws in the back cavity to ensure that the tension is JUST enough to where the bridge is just touching the body and not "whacking or thumping" on the body because that makes the strings that much harder to bend. You just want the bridge to be kissing the body so the string tension is nice and light..... and again, its a back and forth process and most good guitar techs understand this and know how to play the adjustment game. There is no set way or method to do it. It totally depends on who and how the guitar is set up, how they have the neck truss rod set, etc..... so its really hard to say exactly what needs to be done. I will say I have never had a guitar (Except for one that had a NASTY neck back bow that had to be weighted on stools for a week to work it out) that did not achieve nice low action and easy playability (9's for strings too btw for all floyd guitars) when using these fix it methods.... my 2 cents,

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