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    Default "Uber for women," Chariot for Women, to launch April 19. But is it legal?

    So this may be closer to the "reverse" scenario those against forcing businesses to do things against their will have been looking for. I think this business should absolutely exist and discriminate if it wants to.

    Chariot for Women, an Uber-like service, set to launch this month
    Sorry dudes: This car service will only pick up women and children.

    by Cyrus Farivar - Apr 10, 2016 12:54pm PDT

    A new Boston-area startup hopes to be a new on-demand ride service that will only offer rides to women, and children of any gender under 13.
    Chariot for Women, which was founded by a husband-and-wife team from Charlton, Massachusetts, is set to launch nationwide on April 19. Its pricing will be much more similar to traditional taxi fares, with a base charge and a per mile rate—and with no surge pricing.

    The company says that it is focusing on safety and will only employ female drivers, who will have background checks run by Safer Places. All prospective drivers must also pass Massachusetts’ Criminal Offender Record Information (CORI), according to TechCrunch.

    By contrast, Uber has been sued multiple times by women passengers who said they were sexually assaulted by their drivers . . .
    But is it legal?

    . . . Companies that provide a service need to accept potential customers without discriminating,” said Dahlia C. Rudavsky, is a partner in the Boston firm of Messing, Rudavsky & Weliky.

    “There’s nothing wrong with advertising particularly to a female customer base,” Rudavsky said. “But if a company goes further and refuses to pick up a man, I think they’d potentially run into legal trouble . . .

    To limit employees to one gender, you have to have what the law calls a bona fide occupational qualification. And that’s a really strict standard,” [Joseph L. Sulman, an employment law specialist based in West Newton] said. “The law’s really tough on that. For gender, it’s not enough to say, ‘we really just want to have a female here because our customers prefer that to feel safer'" . . .
    Chariot seems to be making the argument that they are an exception, like prison guards or social workers, were intimate privacy is necessary, or even Disneyland or Hooters, where employees audition to play a character. However, health clubs and airlines (Southwest) have lost lawsuits for being women only or hiring only female pilots, though some legislatures have carved out exemptions for women's only health clubs.

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    Interesting test case.

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    Agreed.

    I think this is a real, actual unintended consequence of anti-discrimination laws. Sure, it's an overarching problem that women can't feel as safe as a man getting a ride, that's not lost on me, but a private solution to that problem ought to be free to progress.

    I don't believe it will be, however. If you play the substitution game and substitute 'White" for "women," it sounds pretty bad.

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    What about males that identify as females? They gonna be allowed?

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    Actually, another article I read on this said trans women would be allowed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    Actually, another article I read on this said trans women would be allowed.


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    Great, so all I have to do is say that I identify as female, and I can get a ride. Bonus!

    Can they make sure that all the drivers are hot women in lingerie, or is that asking too much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    Great, so all I have to do is say that I identify as female, and I can get a ride. Bonus!

    Can they make sure that all the drivers are hot women in lingerie, or is that asking too much?
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    Real question: Are anti-discrimination laws worth it, for example, preventing "No Coloreds Allowed" signs and forcing bakers to make same-sex wedding cakes, if it also means this business cannot exist, which tries to help women from being sexual assaulted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    Real question: Are anti-discrimination laws worth it, for example, preventing "No Coloreds Allowed" signs and forcing bakers to make same-sex wedding cakes, if it also means this business cannot exist, which tries to help women from being sexual assaulted?
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    No. But you already knew how I would answer that question.
    Be careful. We just don't get it.

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    Real question: Are anti-discrimination laws worth it, for example, preventing "No Coloreds Allowed" signs and forcing bakers to make same-sex wedding cakes, if it also means this business cannot exist, which tries to help women from being sexual assaulted?
    Yes, because justice is not blind, no matter what everyone thinks.

    Many laws are put in place for the sole purpose of protecting the poor and disenfranchised, from the rich and powerful, and such laws, if written the opposite way, would never come to pass.

    It's ok to have a taxi service that's purpose is to protect women from sexual predators. Men are not being discriminated against, as there are plenty of other taxi services, so it's an inconvenience, not discriminatory.
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    Not sure I follow here. If the argument is that the laws in place are meant to protect minorities, I don't understand why they were written using words like "sex" and "race." If the argument is that laws apply differently when it comes to certain groups, that seems like an odd argument from a guy who seems unhappy with how much of the bill of rights has been pummeled.

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    I don't equate allowing women to protect themselves as a pummeling of the Bill of Rights. Whose rights does Chariot for Women impede?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    I don't equate allowing women to protect themselves as a pummeling of the Bill of Rights. Whose rights does Chariot for Women impede?
    In other threads, you have said that parts of the bill of rights have been eroded when we look at things like the patriot act or spying on Americans, etc., etc. I wasn't saying you were saying that now.

    I probably wasn't very clear so let me start over. Anti-discrimination laws don't mention races or sexes individually. They say one cannot discriminate on the basis of sex or race, religion, among other things. We understand this means Whites can't not serve Blacks, but also vice versa. I can't only hire men and I can't only hire women if I am discriminating based upon sex. The only real exemption is, as stated above, is if it is a bona fide occupational qualification. In other words, if you're doing a movie about Obama and you only want to hire Black men to play him, you can do it. At Disneyland, you can't wear a hajib if you're a Jungle Cruise skipper. Being a 'character' is an exemption. Hooters is a really fine line because they sort of make the argument that a Hooter's girl is a character and women have to audition and meet standards. But as the lawyer states above, just saying that passengers may feel safer is a pretty broad exception that doesn't likely meet with current precedent.

    So what I am saying is that if "laws are put in place for the sole purpose of protecting the poor and disenfranchised from the rich and powerful," as you said, then that doesn't seem to jive in this case with the protection broadly being sex, not simply women or the LGBTQ community. It seems to be written to protect both men and women, and this company would violate that.

    If you're saying we should turn a blind eye in this case, that doesn't seem to jive with being upset about how the bill of rights has been slowly whittled away, as you have said in other threads.

 

 

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