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    Default New from Pete Angelus: Dave Didn't Quit Van Halen!

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    Like all musical groups, perception is everything, right? There was the perception that they all got along beautifully and hung out. And there were a couple of years that went better than others. But I would say, and I’m sure that Edward and Dave — if they were willing to be truthful about it — would admit that there was always some tension, primarily between Alex and Eddie with Dave.

    Alex was always very regimented in his approach to how serious the music business was. And Dave had a very different viewpoint of it. And Edward was just completely in his own world musically. I don’t really think he cared to get in the middle of those approaches [because] he was so involved in his own music. Everything was music for Edward. Edward wasn’t as social a person as anyone in the band, because he was dealing with his thoughts and his ideas, all the time. And usually locked in a hotel room playing the guitar, or locked in the bus playing the guitar, or sitting in his bunk playing the guitar. But that guitar never left his hands.

    With all groups, there is some tension between the members. In 1985, when they announced the break-up, I was with Dave actually at the time. As I remember it, they had been touring pretty consistently for five years. And the idea was simply to take like a year hiatus. And some of them had things they were interested in doing during that year. Dave wanted to spend the time to make a movie [Pete and Dave were collaborating on a movie, Crazy from the Heat, which was never filmed].

    When I was on the phone with Alex, Eddie, and Dave, everybody was agreeable to a one-year hiatus. And I can’t remember, but it was like a week or two after that I read that Dave had quit the group in Rolling Stone. At least that was how someone in the Van Halen camp was trying to present it. I remember being on the phone with Dave, going, “Will you look at this shit?! We just had an agreement and an understanding, and everybody was on board a week or two ago…and now this?!” It rolled into a lot of very negative feelings, because I think Dave felt betrayed. I don’t know how the Van Halen’s felt betrayed, because they had agreed to it. Maybe they felt betrayed because he wanted to pursue something in film. But it rolled quickly into some very negative areas.

    I remember having a conversation with Alex, as to “What exactly is going on here? Because I thought everybody just agreed to take a year off.” I remember him being kind of aggressive about it, like, “Oh no, that’s bullshit man. We’re not going to sit around and wait while Dave makes a movie. You’ve got to pick sides of where you want to be.” I was like, “Well, wait a minute. No one is sitting around and ‘waiting’ while Dave makes a movie. A few weeks ago, we were talking about maybe it was time for Van Halen to take a year off the road, after so much consecutive touring.” And it was like, “No, that’s bullshit, man. We’re not going to be in a holding pattern for Dave’s whims.” So that was probably how he perceived it, after having agreed to it.

    I don’t know why his perception changed, but it did. And I don’t really remember speaking to Edward specifically about it after that. I do remember him saying, “We’re going to carry on as Van Halen.” Edward and Alex were always of the mindset that everybody that worked for them was overpaid, in a sense, and they were going to very carefully select their “team.”

    Whereas Dave, at the time, was very optimistic and very open to all creative ideas. So Dave was like, “Will you come with me, and we’ll carry on? We’ll put a group together. I want to go on the road and I want to keep touring. I don’t want this to stop me. I’m not going to sit here in a holding pattern and hope for the best.” I was always much closer with Dave, from the very beginning. It wasn’t really even a decision as to what was going to happen. Dave and I would continue to work together, as we had in the past. And from there, we put together Steve Vai, Billy Sheehan, and Gregg Bissonette, and we carried on.

    Interesting! Now, are we now taking this “Dave did NOT quit Van Halen” idea to the bank? Not exactly, but it’s very interesting to hear Pete’s take on the breakup. Truth is rarely black and white. In the case of Van Halen’s split with Roth, the truth might be a bit of a gray area.

    Usually, both sides … Roth and Van Halen … will describe the breakup as Roth simply leaving the band. But we think it wasn’t a black-or-white, he-quit-or-didn’t-quit situation. The relationship between the brothers and Dave had devolved to the point that they could not agree on management, musical direction, producers, touring plans — just about anything. Both sides were very frustrated and emotional, and both seemed to think it wasn’t going to work anymore.




    So, did Dave quit, or was he fired? Perhaps it was more of a mutual parting of the ways, for better or for worse.

    Full story at The VHND...

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    This has Ed written all over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James in New York View Post
    Pete Angelus:

    Like all musical groups, perception is everything, right? There was the perception that they all got along beautifully and hung out. And there were a couple of years that went better than others. But I would say, and I’m sure that Edward and Dave — if they were willing to be truthful about it — would admit that there was always some tension, primarily between Alex and Eddie with Dave.

    Alex was always very regimented in his approach to how serious the music business was. And Dave had a very different viewpoint of it. And Edward was just completely in his own world musically. I don’t really think he cared to get in the middle of those approaches [because] he was so involved in his own music. Everything was music for Edward. Edward wasn’t as social a person as anyone in the band, because he was dealing with his thoughts and his ideas, all the time. And usually locked in a hotel room playing the guitar, or locked in the bus playing the guitar, or sitting in his bunk playing the guitar. But that guitar never left his hands.

    With all groups, there is some tension between the members. In 1985, when they announced the break-up, I was with Dave actually at the time. As I remember it, they had been touring pretty consistently for five years. And the idea was simply to take like a year hiatus. And some of them had things they were interested in doing during that year. Dave wanted to spend the time to make a movie [Pete and Dave were collaborating on a movie, Crazy from the Heat, which was never filmed].

    When I was on the phone with Alex, Eddie, and Dave, everybody was agreeable to a one-year hiatus. And I can’t remember, but it was like a week or two after that I read that Dave had quit the group in Rolling Stone. At least that was how someone in the Van Halen camp was trying to present it. I remember being on the phone with Dave, going, “Will you look at this shit?! We just had an agreement and an understanding, and everybody was on board a week or two ago…and now this?!” It rolled into a lot of very negative feelings, because I think Dave felt betrayed. I don’t know how the Van Halen’s felt betrayed, because they had agreed to it. Maybe they felt betrayed because he wanted to pursue something in film. But it rolled quickly into some very negative areas.

    I remember having a conversation with Alex, as to “What exactly is going on here? Because I thought everybody just agreed to take a year off.” I remember him being kind of aggressive about it, like, “Oh no, that’s bullshit man. We’re not going to sit around and wait while Dave makes a movie. You’ve got to pick sides of where you want to be.” I was like, “Well, wait a minute. No one is sitting around and ‘waiting’ while Dave makes a movie. A few weeks ago, we were talking about maybe it was time for Van Halen to take a year off the road, after so much consecutive touring.” And it was like, “No, that’s bullshit, man. We’re not going to be in a holding pattern for Dave’s whims.” So that was probably how he perceived it, after having agreed to it.

    I don’t know why his perception changed, but it did. And I don’t really remember speaking to Edward specifically about it after that. I do remember him saying, “We’re going to carry on as Van Halen.” Edward and Alex were always of the mindset that everybody that worked for them was overpaid, in a sense, and they were going to very carefully select their “team.”

    Whereas Dave, at the time, was very optimistic and very open to all creative ideas. So Dave was like, “Will you come with me, and we’ll carry on? We’ll put a group together. I want to go on the road and I want to keep touring. I don’t want this to stop me. I’m not going to sit here in a holding pattern and hope for the best.” I was always much closer with Dave, from the very beginning. It wasn’t really even a decision as to what was going to happen. Dave and I would continue to work together, as we had in the past. And from there, we put together Steve Vai, Billy Sheehan, and Gregg Bissonette, and we carried on.

    Interesting! Now, are we now taking this “Dave did NOT quit Van Halen” idea to the bank? Not exactly, but it’s very interesting to hear Pete’s take on the breakup. Truth is rarely black and white. In the case of Van Halen’s split with Roth, the truth might be a bit of a gray area.

    Usually, both sides … Roth and Van Halen … will describe the breakup as Roth simply leaving the band. But we think it wasn’t a black-or-white, he-quit-or-didn’t-quit situation. The relationship between the brothers and Dave had devolved to the point that they could not agree on management, musical direction, producers, touring plans — just about anything. Both sides were very frustrated and emotional, and both seemed to think it wasn’t going to work anymore.




    So, did Dave quit, or was he fired? Perhaps it was more of a mutual parting of the ways, for better or for worse.

    Full story at The VHND...

    Read more: http://www.vhnd.com/2016/04/07/did-r...#ixzz45CAooiue

    We've seen this story before with the Van Halens so I think that the "Dave claim" is probably closer to the truth.

    While Roth has a massive ego, I have a tough time believing that he thought that he could just cast aside the Van Halen brothers and carry on like nothing happened.

    I'm guessing they agreed to take a break and Ed and Al got spooked by Dave deciding to do other projects with his free time. Then Ed's piece of shit car broke down and he took it to Claudio's...
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    I think they were fine with the break, until they saw there was another way.
    If Sammy never entered the picture, the hiatus would've probably taken place or perhaps another singer would be found
    The Van Halens seem to me to have a lot of knee jerk reactions, this was one of them and it worked out great for them.
    Booting Sammy was also pretty knee jerk and perhaps bringing Dave back was as well.
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    I'm confused with the timeline. So this occurred before or after Ed & Dave had their infamous meeting? That VHND article last year said Ed drove to Dave's house after getting the vibe Dave wasn't into what they were doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James in New York View Post
    Edward and Alex were always of the mindset that everybody that worked for them was overpaid, in a sense, and they were going to very carefully select their “team.”
    Sadly, history has shown this is the most likely scenario.

    I didn't used to believe it. I was irked with Dave for leaving Van Halen for years, when it first went down.

    But nowadays...given everything that's transpired since...it's fairly obvious it really wasn't Dave at all.

    Man. Talk about letting shit go to your head.

    It's not just your last name, dude. And your last name isn't necessarily the bottom line...as 1998 showed quite clearly.

    It's also an animal that was co-created by three other guys, no more or less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Get The Show On The Road View Post
    Then Ed's piece of shit car broke down and he took it to Claudio's...
    I never believed that story. My guess is that the first contact between Van Halen and Sammy was a lawyers phone call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    I'm confused with the timeline. So this occurred before or after Ed & Dave had their infamous meeting? That VHND article last year said Ed drove to Dave's house after getting the vibe Dave wasn't into what they were doing.

    I'm thinking the meeting and bro-hug was Dave thinking Ed was agreeing to let him take a year to do some other shit, and Ed thinking Dave was leaving.

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    I don't buy this for a second. Dave would've said so in 1985. He quit. Mike even said it. Hell Pete even went with Dave so he's a little biased don't you think?


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    Quote Originally Posted by DRFC View Post
    I'm thinking the meeting and bro-hug was Dave thinking Ed was agreeing to let him take a year to do some other shit, and Ed thinking Dave was leaving.
    I just don't the see them crying over a one year break. Man, the booze and coke had to be flowing in that room for that to go down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuddman5150 View Post
    I don't buy this for a second. Dave would've said so in 1985. He quit. Mike even said it. Hell Pete even went with Dave so he's a little biased don't you think?


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    But Dave said originally that he didn't quit. In fact, his original reactions were kind of what Angelus described here.

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    There have been dozens of these stories and theories, and I bet all of them have truths in them.

    Basically, they all fucked up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    There have been dozens of these stories and theories, and I bet all of them have truths in them.

    Basically, they all fucked up.
    Teamwork at its absolute worst.
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    Ed and Al are dicks. Al, by the simple fact of green lighting every bad decision Ed ever made. I love my brothers but I'm my own man and they do not have power over me.

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