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    The vast majority of students whose family income is less than $50,000 a year will receive free college and university tuition under changes to student aid made in this year’s Ontario budget that represent the most radical shift in decades in how the province delivers loans and grants to postsecondary students.

    Key takeaways from the Ontario budget (The Globe and Mail)

    The changes eliminate multiple loan and grant programs, and replace a complicated system with one program, the new Ontario Student Grant. Finance Minister Charles Sousa said the cost of the OSG will be “roughly the same” as the current level of $1.3-billion in aid.

    “In fact, we’ve put in the budget the ability to further support an increase. We want this to be oversubscribed. We want to have more students who would not otherwise look to postsecondary,” he said.

    The government did not give details of the program, including whether students from higher-income families could end up with more debt in years to come. Starting in 2017, students will be able to borrow up to $2500 more a year.

    The changes are one of the key planks in this year’s budget and signal that the province is determined to increase the percentage of Ontarians from lower-income and disadvantaged groups who attend college and university.

    The province has “one of the highest attainment rates in the world. We need it to be higher to increase Ontario’s prosperity even more,” Mr. Sousa said in his budget speech.

    Student groups have long argued aid needs to be easy to use and understand and must give students help when they pay their fees, not at tax time. Lower-income students are particularly discouraged by high upfront tuition costs and often not able to take full advantage of tax credits. Ontario lags behind most provinces in the percentage of first-generation students in university.

    “Reallocating tax credits is something where we are not looking at vast new investments, it’s a way of achieving access goals without large new investments,” said Spencer Nestico-Semianiw, the president of the Ontario Undergraduate Student Alliance.

    Many of the measures in the budget were proposed in OUSA’s budget submission and in fact appear to go further in some areas – such as entirely eliminating tuition for some income groups.

    Students’ jubilation could be short-lived if tuition costs skyrocket, however. The current 3 per cent tuition cap on undergraduate tuition expires in 2017, the same year the new financial aid system comes into place.

    Ontario universities have been arguing that tight provincial coffers have left them with the lowest levels of public grants per student in Canada. NDP Leader Andrea Horwath echoed those concerns.

    “There is no new money there,” she said. “We are still concerned that commitment to postsecondary education is still bottom of the barrel.”

    Changes to aid are not linked to tuition levels, a government official said. But by increasing the accessibility and transparency of grants and loans, the government may find it easier to allow steeper tuition hikes in the future.

    At the same time, no student will be worse off under the new system than they are now, the government has promised. Half of families in Ontario earn less than $84,000 and while grants will increase marginally for those close to that line, they will be able to access more loans.

    That’s particularly true for higher-income families who will be expected to contribute less to their kids’ education than they do now. A family of four earning $110,000 will see their expected contribution decrease by $6,000 to $4,000 a year. Loans will make up for part of that drop.

    If the measures are successful in increasing attendance rates for low-income and other disadvantaged groups such as aboriginal students, they will also help address looming demographic pressures. With the population of 18- to 24-year-olds declining, colleges and universities fear enrolments and their budgets will shrink.

    This budget for the first time opens financial aid to mature students regardless of how long they have been out of school and decreases the spousal contribution, further increasing the pool of students who might consider attending postsecondary.

    All of the province’s projections are based on the implementation of federal promises on student aid. The Liberals have already said they will move away from tax credits, including cancelling the education and textbook tax credit and putting the funds toward an improved Canada Student Loan program.

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    dumb policy. If you're running surplusses then something like this might make sense. This government is selling off assets to just to keep the fucking lights on. Stupid, stupid, stupid. If I ran my finances the way most governments do i'd be living in the streets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    dumb policy. If you're running surplusses then something like this might make sense. This government is selling off assets to just to keep the fucking lights on. Stupid, stupid, stupid. If I ran my finances the way most governments do i'd be living in the streets.
    The government says cancelling the tuition tax credit and education tax credit will save $145 million in 2017 and that will fully fund the new grant plan that year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motherload View Post
    The government says cancelling the tuition tax credit and education tax credit will save $145 million in 2017 and that will fully fund the new grant plan that year.
    see answer in other thread. I'm guessing their explanation is a flat out lie. I really hope i'm wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    see answer in other thread. I'm guessing their explanation is a flat out lie. I really hope i'm wrong.
    If you're talking about politicans and or government, and you use a word such as, "Lie", in the same sentence, they probably are.

    And, that being said, it explains a lot of why Americans are fed up with the entire system of this country. We are quickly becoming a jaded and aggressive population toward the career beltway boys and girls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    see answer in other thread. I'm guessing their explanation is a flat out lie. I really hope i'm wrong.
    While governments certainly lie - do you think the liberal government wants to put themselves in another position where they get voted out in 4 years and then we have another 10 years of a conservative government - because things really were better under Harper?

    I am quite sure Trudeau wants to make his father proud and not just be a one term candidate and leave Canada in ruins.

    I am not going to call it just yet that the liberal government is fucking with us. I think their intentions are good here and they will have to prove that it's actually a savings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motherload View Post
    While governments certainly lie - do you think the liberal government wants to put themselves in another position where they get voted out in 4 years and then we have another 10 years of a conservative government - because things really were better under Harper?

    I am quite sure Trudeau wants to make his father proud and not just be a one term candidate and leave Canada in ruins.

    I am not going to call it just yet that the liberal government is fucking with us. I think their intentions are good here and they will have to prove that it's actually a savings.
    Trudeau just started so I give him the benefit of the doubt. The provincial liberals lost that benefit years ago.

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    Berea College in Berea, KY gives free 4-year tuition to every student, all of whom are low-income. The money comes from corporate and private donations and endowments. Every student is also required to work for the school for a minimum of 10 hours per week, for which they receive compensation, though it is below minimum wage.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berea_College

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    Quote Originally Posted by VHisback View Post
    Berea College in Berea, KY gives free 4-year tuition to every student, all of whom are low-income. The money comes from corporate and private donations and endowments. Every student is also required to work for the school for a minimum of 10 hours per week, for which they receive compensation, though it is below minimum wage.

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    I have no issue with things like free college tuition. I have an issue with it when we're hundreds of billions in debt and adding to it every year. When you're broke you don't look for new ways to spend money.

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    I'm in favor of community college being free. Our education system has lagged behind to the point that 12 years plus kindergarten don't give the graduating senior the skills needed to enter the workplace.

    it also gives students who are going to college a head start.

    but I have to wonder how this works. at the very least, I would expect that they would have to increase their standards of attendance, grade point averages etc in order to be getting the right kind of students who are making progress toward a degreee

    I could see people moving to Ontario to take advantage of this program for their children. wonder how that will affect rental rates, housing rates and unemployment rates.

    it is quite the experiment

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    I'm for free tuition, be it community colleg or uni..if it's tied in with public service.

    Volunteering time in whatever your major is. So many hours per semester.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy Hill View Post
    I'm in favor of community college being free. Our education system has lagged behind to the point that 12 years plus kindergarten don't give the graduating senior the skills needed to enter the workplace.

    it also gives students who are going to college a head start.

    but I have to wonder how this works. at the very least, I would expect that they would have to increase their standards of attendance, grade point averages etc in order to be getting the right kind of students who are making progress toward a degreee

    I could see people moving to Ontario to take advantage of this program for their children. wonder how that will affect rental rates, housing rates and unemployment rates.

    it is quite the experiment
    If the family is making less than 50 G they can't afford a move...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdnangel View Post
    If the family is making less than 50 G they can't afford a move...
    The issue I have with this is that it discourages work. Also discourages couples staying together but that's another matter. A friend of mine works two jobs, literally works 7 days a week. Brings home around 50-55k a year. His daughter (my god-daughter) starts University in 2018. He'd be a fool to not work less, or worse yet tell his employer to pay him under the table to keep him under 50k. It's just dumb. Makes me wonder why I work sometimes when we're punished. I'll have 3 kids in school at the same time but I'll be paying for them. I guess I should retire right before they start and have everyone else pay for them instead.

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