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    Yeah, Cruise gets a bum rap because of his religion and because he jumped on a couch while in love. What an asshole.

    I have never not liked him in a film I've seen. The MI films are almost all really good, and even his by-the-numbers films (Jack Reacher) are entertaining. BTW, the author of the Reacher franchise has explained why Cruise was eventually chosen. From the Washington Post:

    . . . As Child explained wryly during a recent book tour stop in Chicago, the search for an actor to play Reacher took place over a number of years. Hundreds of names were "bandied about," as he put it: Liam Neeson? Daniel Craig? Hugh Jackman? Gerard Butler? Russell Crowe? Josh Brolin? Jason Statham? How about a black Reacher, maybe Will Smith or Denzel Washington?

    But the search repeatedly stalled over finding someone with Reacher’s imposing size: 6-feet-5-inches tall, 250 pounds. “It was completely impossible to find a physical facsimile of Jack Reacher in Hollywood,” Child said. “There are none—not even remotely close. The people you think are 6-feet-five and 250 pounds are not. Most of them are at least seven or eight inches shorter than the fictional Reacher. It got to the point where people were saying, ‘What about this guy who’s nine inches shorter than Reacher? He’s better than this other guy who’s nine and a half inches shorter than Reacher.’ ”

    Although Child did not have casting approval, he was part of the discussions, and it was he who spun the search in new direction. “Absolutely Reacher is a big guy, no question about it, but he’s also intelligent, intimidating, he gives off a certain vibe,” he told the creative team. “What if we got everything except the size? How would that work?”

    . . . Child, who has seen the film, insisted that the casting gamble has paid off. “It works very well, because Cruise is an odd mixture of two things,” he said. “On the outside, he’s a movie star and a celebrity. But on the inside, he’s a a character actor who wants to get into a role through the script, through the words, and wants to inhabit that world. If you don’t know Reacher [from the books], it’s just a brilliant movie. If you do know Reacher, for the first two or three minutes you’re going to think, ‘This is weird.’ But after the first two or three minutes, you buy into it, it sucks you in, and he convinces you. And at the end of the movie you think, ‘What was I worried about?’ ”
    Anyway, this is all part of Hollywood moving towards safer blockbusters. In order to get a studio to pay $100, $200 million to make a movie, a lot of times they are going to want something already familiar to audiences. Even 21 Jump Street was just a way to get people to pay attention to a $50 million budget buddy cop comedy. It doesn't always work (Land of the Lost), but bets are simply being hedged nowadays.

    Top Gun is a well-known franchise. You get a few of the older actors and some new young actors, a decent plot, some good action--making a modern film, not a film with the tone of the original--and you're almost guaranteed big box office.

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    Lol, Cruise is still wrong for Reacher. There are actors who are at least on the north side of 6' lmao. Is Cruise even north of 5'6"

    My Mum who's a big fan of the novels wanted Liam Neeson. Ha oh well.

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    I'm a fan of the books but refused to see the movie...I call BS on not being able to find a tall actor

    Vincent Dinofrio is a big guy as in Joe Mangiello and Vince Vaughn

    Alexander Skarsgard is something like 6-3 so is Stellan Skarsgard

    Chris Pratt is tall and look how he was able to bulk up

    look up an actor named Conan Stevens...he looks like jack Reacher should look but they felt they needed a "star" and Cruise no doubt pushed for the role

    I think it resulted in ruining the franchise for a bunch of people.


    it isn't even that they needed someone 6-5....but to have someone 6 feet tall or over would do it

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    I'm a fan of the novels, and I thought the movie was great. It took a few minutes to get used to Cruise in the role, but he did such a good job with it you forget about the literary version of the character while watching it.
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    I think the author's point was that you might get someone talk, but what if he doesn't exude the other stuff?

    I like Chris Pratt. I have never found him intimidating. Cruise in Collateral? Yes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    I think the author's point was that you might get someone talk, but what if he doesn't exude the other stuff?

    I like Chris Pratt. I have never found him intimidating. Cruise in Collateral? Yes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Punch View Post
    First one was gayer than two guys massaging each other in a sauna, this one will probably set the fire sprinklers off....no thanks. Im not a Tom fan but damn dude, i know you have better options than this shit sandwich.
    Couldn't disagree more about the 'gay' aspect - which is an outlook that reflects deeprooted sexism. Plenty of talk about locker room scenes and topless volleyball featuring good-looking guys. The same 'gay' criticism was thrown at Casino Royale when Daniel Craig emerged from the sea all bulging muscles in tight trunks. (Also seemingly any movie that features two men in close proximity - such as, bizarrely, The Hitcher and Lethal Weapon. Yet the same guys shouting 'gay' are conspicuously quiet with all the naked and semi-naked women in movies (which vastly outweights male sexploitation).

    These guys didn't find naked shots of women in the showers in everything from teen comedies to slashers 'gay'. Nor the unnecessary-for-the-storyline topless shots in a million-and-one Hollywood films and the camera lovingly gazing upon scantily clad curves in movies like the Fast and the Furious series and any Michael Bay film (Transformers, Bad Boys etc). Such female sexploitation is seen as pandering to teen-male fantasies and not many guys complain about 'gay'. There's the innate assumption that films are made for men - or that only male opinion counts - and therefore naked females = perfectly reasonable; naked men = gay.

    If you watch the Top Gun documentary on the DVD disc you'll see that the filmamkers were being savvy and aiming at both men and women. Tom Cruise was the hotshot of the moment and a heartthrob for millions of gilrs. An all-male film about fighter pilots is going to appeal primarily to men and Bruckheimer, Simpson and Scott were keen to maximise the appeal of their film and give the women a reason to watch the film, too. It wasn't 'gay' it was 'astute'. And the film's success and soft spot in the hearts of men and women is testament to this decision.

    And if any more proof is needed beyond the exposing of hypocrisy in not batting an eyelid at female sexploitation but crying 'gay' whenever it's a man's turn then consider the facts that none of the filmmakers were gay, a gay movie would have been the death knell at the box office - even now it's a tiny, niche audience so back then it would have been even less accepted - and attaining financing would have been impossible. There was no reason - not personal, financial or film-wise - to make a 'gay' movie.

    People see what they want to see. And the guys who cry 'gay' at Top Gun reflect themselves - be it latent homosexualiy, insecurity about their sexuality or straugh-forward sexism. And if you're one of those guys that cries 'gay' when you see a lingering shot of a man's ody then you need to take a long hard look at yourself and the hidden reasons behind it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocknblues81 View Post
    Collateral is Cruise's best performance. He deserved more award attention than Jamie Foxx for that movie. Foxx deserved it more for Ray.
    Agreed he deserved it more than Foxx. Collateral was his standout performance until his turn in Edge of Tomorrow. I still think Collateral edges it but just about.

    And Top Gun is a blast. A perfect slice of 80s cinema and home video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy Hill View Post
    I'm a fan of the books but refused to see the movie...I call BS on not being able to find a tall actor

    Vincent Dinofrio is a big guy as in Joe Mangiello and Vince Vaughn

    Alexander Skarsgard is something like 6-3 so is Stellan Skarsgard

    Chris Pratt is tall and look how he was able to bulk up

    look up an actor named Conan Stevens...he looks like jack Reacher should look but they felt they needed a "star" and Cruise no doubt pushed for the role

    I think it resulted in ruining the franchise for a bunch of people.


    it isn't even that they needed someone 6-5....but to have someone 6 feet tall or over would do it
    It definitely ruined it for my Mum. She was pretty disappointed in the film.

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    What a gay response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy Hill View Post
    it isn't even that they needed someone 6-5....but to have someone 6 feet tall or over would do it
    Why? Bruce Lee, Van Damme, Chuck Norris, Van Damme, Jet Li, Brandon Lee, Sylvster Stallone could all kick arse despite being 5' 8" and under. No one would mess with Jason Statham and Mel Gibson was convincing in Lethal Weapon. Both are barely 5' 9". And check out the phenom that is Scott Adkins. 5' 10" and the best arse kicker of this century. Add to that that the bgger you are, the slower and less effective you are.

    One thing that was lost on many a director is that no one is surprised when a big guy kicks bum. It's expected, They tried to make Van Damme seem taller in a few films, casting smaller guys to make him look bigger, but that was counter-intuitive. His biggest victories came against much bigger opponentes (AWOL and Universal Soldier). Same goes for Bruce Lee when he squared off against Kareem Abdul Jabaar.

    6' 5" Steve Segal was already a tough guy by sheer virtue of being huge. Throw in his aikido and every fight was a non-event. Same goes for Dolph Lundgren - huge, a martial artist and a bodybuilder! Where's the challenge? And where's the speed? One of the lines from Showdown in Little Tokyo grew out of a practice session between him and Brandon Lee. He was going after Brandon and being outdodged by the smaller but faster and more agile Lee. He said 'you're quick but if I hit you it's over' and Brandon instantly stung him with a flurry of shots and 'yeah but you have to catch me first'.

    What I found off-putting about Jack Reacher is that he's just too good. He's 6' 5" and built like a brick shit-house. He's skilled in martial arts and boxing, is a crack shot, an explosives expert and has a genius-level IQ. Where's the fun in that? Where's the challenge? Give me a smaller or normal guy kicking arse over a hulking behemoth anyday.

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    I think you guys are forgetting one major part about opening a film. It isn't about WANTING a bankable star. In a world where there is all kinds of competition for your eyeballs, established intellectual properties and bankable stars are considered necessary.

    One of the things released when Sony's emails were hacked was how Sony let the film Steve Jobs go and it eventually ended up at Universal. They were originally wanting to reteam Sorkin and Fincher, but Sony head Amy Pascal wrote in an email that if you don't open the movie right (read: with a bankable star), it grosses "mid 30s." DiCaprio turned them down, Bale turned them down, and eventually so did Fincher. So it became Danny Boyle and Michael Fassbender, so Sony let it go.

    It grossed $31M worldwide. Yet Rotten Tomatoes and Cinemascore show it was well received and word of mouth was very good.

    So sure you can look at Vincent D'Onofrio, but he isn't a bankable star. Sure you can look at Vince Vaughn, but he isn't a bankable star for a drama. Stellan Skarsgard is way too old, and Alexander Skarsgard's first big budget film was Battleship. Sure, he is playing Tarzan this year, but that film also has Sam Jackson and Christoph Waltz. The only real guy is probably Liam Neeson, and obviously he was mentioned and his action films have been successful, so there has to be a reason why they didn't go with him, and it probably has to do with the other characteristics besides height.

    The other thing is that everything can look huge on the big screen. That's why the cobra in that Raiders of the Lost Ark snakes scene is so scary. It's 20 feet tall!! Shoot the film right and while Cruise just can't tower over everyone, he won't look tiny, and he doesn't.

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    I can tell you one thing that wasn't gay about Top Gun.

    In the 80s my cousin was a Navy Pilot on an F-14 crew that was based off the USS Eisenhower. He said after that movie came out they had more chicks then ever throwing themselves at the pilots. He said it was like 80s rock star female groupies. Let's just say he said they had a pretty damn good time when off base.

    +++

    As for the actual movie, I saw it when I was 12 in 1986. At the time I just thought the fighter planes were cool. It is definitely a bit cheesier watching it now......

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlofeldsCat View Post
    Agreed he deserved it more than Foxx. Collateral was his standout performance until his turn in Edge of Tomorrow. I still think Collateral edges it but just about.

    And Top Gun is a blast. A perfect slice of 80s cinema and home video.
    I hated Top Gun even as kid. Just a really annoying movie. IMO.

    My brother loved it though.
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    ALSO....

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