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    They're already calling this the "Martial Law Bill" online. They need to stop this. This is starting to catch fire in the news, I would love to hear where Trump stands on this. I'm going to guess he's all in.



    The push to authorize the war against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is getting a boost in the Senate.

    Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) fast-tracked a wide-ranging authorization for the use of military force (AUMF) from Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) to the Senate calendar on Thursday.

    The procedural move lets the bill skip over the Foreign Relations Committee. Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), who chairs the committee, has suggested that a new AUMF was unlikely to happen and that President Obama currently has the legal authority he needs.

    Graham's legislation hasn't been scheduled for floor time, but the South Carolina Republican said Thursday that a debate should happen "as soon as possible."

    "Everybody needs to stand up and be counted here," he told reporters. "If the Democrats don't want to give this to Obama, then stand up and tell me why. ... There may be some people running for president as Republicans who don't want this. I would be astonished that anybody seeking to be commander in chief wouldn't want this power."  

    But the South Carolina Republican, who ended his presidential campaign last month, added that he hasn't spoken to McConnell about trying to get floor time.

    The Republican leader has previously expressed concerns about taking up a war bill that would limit Obama, or his successor, from being able to go after terrorist organizations.

    "I think an AUMF, an authorization to use military force, that ties the president's hands behind his back is not something I would want to do to a new president, who's going to have to clean up this mess,” he told ABC's "This Week."

    Graham's proposal wouldn't place a geographic limit on U.S. military operations against ISIS, with the South Carolina Republican saying it would allow the administration to fight the terror group "wherever, whenever, and however."

    It also wouldn't have an expiration date and would not prohibit the president from placing boots on the ground to fight ISIS.


    Corker said Thursday that if a war bill can get broad consensus and is "constructive" in defeating ISIS then he might "take that up for consideration."

    "The challenge remains that any new AUMF must have enough bipartisan support to become law, show that our country is united over confronting ISIS, and ensure the president retains the necessary authority to defeat ISIS," he added.

    Corker, who has not officially signed on to the war bill, said that he has "been in constant communication" with McConnell on the issue and "there is no daylight between us on what would be needed to actually take up and pass an AUMF.”

    Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), a vocal advocate for Congress to pass new legislation, said Thursday that "it looks like the body is finally waking up to the reality of the threat."

    "We owe it to the thousands of troops deployed in this dangerous mission to craft an authorization that expresses our support for their sacrificial service," he added.

    Kaine introduced a narrower AUMF proposal last year with Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.). The Virginia Democrat would likely use a potential debate on Graham's proposal to push his legislation.

    The broad nature of Graham's proposal would likely face pushback from Democrats and some libertarian-leaning Republicans.

    Democrats have voiced strong skepticism over an AUMF that doesn't explicitly rule out ground troops over concerns about being ensnared in another Middle East war.

    Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) said that while he welcomes a debate on a war bill, the wide-ranging legislation would "repeat the deadly, costly mistakes of the past."

    "This resolution is a total rewrite of the war powers clause of the United States Constitution. Let's be clear about that," he added. "It is essentially a declaration of international martial law, a sweeping transfer of military power to the president that will allow him or her to send U.S. troops almost anywhere in the world for almost any reason with absolutely no limitations."



    Murphy, as well as Sens. Tom Udall (D-N.M.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii) and Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), tried to get a ban on the use of ground troops against ISIS included in an annual policy bill last year.

    The administration suggested Thursday that while Obama backs Congress passing an ISIS-specific war bill and will review and work with lawmakers on Graham's proposal, it's concerned about the broad nature of the legislation.

    "We certainly welcome Republicans taking an interest in specifically authorizing the continued use of military force against [ISIS]," said Brandi Hoffine, a White House spokeswoman.

    "However, the President has also been clear from the beginning that we will not be engaging in the type of armed conflict that we saw in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that remains the case."

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    Lindsey Graham is such a damn war hawk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    Lindsey Graham is such a damn war hawk.
    He's worse, he's a Progressive.
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    They're already calling this the "Martial Law Bill" online. They need to stop this. This is starting to catch fire in the news, I would love to hear where Trump stands on this. I'm going to guess he's all in.
    You have to admit, unimpeded martial law will go nicely with unimpeded government intrusion into private communications (The Patriot Act) and also with the unimpeded removal of Miranda rights (NDAA), it will make a nice little fascist trinity.
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    He's worse, he's a Progressive.
    Can't stand him. Throw Mitch McConnell out with him.
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    What Trump wants is power. I doubt he would be against anything that gives the office more power. What's worse is that he is probably the most power hungry of the bunch, and this is a power hungry bunch on both sides.

    Back in 2008, the NY Times' Charlie Savage sent out a questionnaire asking candidates to go on record about limits to presidential power. Democrats were anxious to talk about this after Bush, and 9/12 campaigns responded to the questionnaire, including the eventual candidates, Obama and McCain.

    In 2012, the shoe was on the other foot, and 5/7 Republican campaigns filled it out and went on record.

    For 2016, Savage sent out the questionnaire back in September to all campaigns. As of four days ago, only one candidate had returned the questionnaire, going on record on limits to presidential power: Rand Paul.

    After Savage reported that after four months only Rand Paul had responded (Presidential Candidates, Silent on Presidential Power), Ben Carson sent his answers in.

    Rand Paul's answers https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...Paul.html]here, Carson's answers here on page 13.

    I think we can safely say that everyone else has little concern about what kind of powers the President has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    What Trump wants is power. I doubt he would be against anything that gives the office more power. What's worse is that he is probably the most power hungry of the bunch, and this is a power hungry bunch on both sides.

    Back in 2008, the NY Times' Charlie Savage sent out a questionnaire asking candidates to go on record about limits to presidential power. Democrats were anxious to talk about this after Bush, and 9/12 campaigns responded to the questionnaire, including the eventual candidates, Obama and McCain.

    In 2012, the shoe was on the other foot, and 5/7 Republican campaigns filled it out and went on record.

    For 2016, Savage sent out the questionnaire back in September to all campaigns. As of four days ago, only one candidate had returned the questionnaire, going on record on limits to presidential power: Rand Paul.

    After Savage reported that after four months only Rand Paul had responded (Presidential Candidates, Silent on Presidential Power), Ben Carson sent his answers in.

    Rand Paul's answers https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...Paul.html]here, Carson's answers here on page 13.

    I think we can safely say that everyone else has little concern about what kind of powers the President has.
    Going by what he's said in the past I'm going to say Cruz would be against this. You know damn well Rand will be speaking about it in tomorrow's debate. I believe Cruz will too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    Going by what he's said in the past I'm going to say Cruz would be against this. You know damn well Rand will be speaking about it in tomorrow's debate. I believe Cruz will too.
    Probably.

    Actually I might make that a maybe. He just flip-flopped on sentencing reform. Maybe it's Paul's bloodline or that he comes off as less of a politician, but the only guy I'd bet on sticking to his guns is Paul.


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    Lindsey Graham is such a damn war hawk.
    I am convinced he is a homosexual war pig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phast View Post
    I am convinced he is a homosexual war pig.
    Many of us in SC are convinced of the same things.
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    Does it make a difference in the grand scheme of things, if he is homosexual?

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    Does it make a difference in the grand scheme of things, if he is homosexual?
    No, but he does look like a pig.

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    No, but he does look like a pig.

    What's with this pig stuff? I was a pig yesterday too, according to you. .

    Embrace your perversity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    What's with this pig stuff? I was a pig yesterday too, according to you. .

    Embrace your perversity.

    Ted brought in the pig stuff, not me. Yesterday, you sexually harassed me so I called you a pig.

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    Ted brought in the pig stuff, not me. Yesterday, you sexually harassed me so I called you a pig.

    Actually phast brought it up originally. I merely acknowledged that many of us in SC believe the same things. It's more about his politics than any alleged lifestyle he leads.
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