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    She should face charges for naming her son tomahawk

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    helicopter parenting vs "free range" parenting............there has to be a middle ground. But what is the middle ground?

    In this day and age I would not allow a child that young to play alone in a public playground, and frankly in the 60's no 4 year old would have been allowed to play alone in a public park in my small town. But that said, what ever happened to neighbors being neighbors? Why do the police have to be called?

    the neighbor probably thought that if she said something to the mother it would create a big stink...which it probably would have

    no win situation here

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    I thought the bigger crime was naming a child Tomahawk. Trailer trash.
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    The maximum sentence that Hendron can face is 6 months in jail with 3 years of probation. She was offered an alternative deal of just 30 days in jail and 1 year of probation but she has rejected the offer.
    Cool. Of course the answer is to take the Mom away from the boy.

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    I'd risk the stink with the mom personally if I was that concerned. I know if my neighbors called the police every time my kids were 120 feet away from me at 4 there would be a police substation in my garage and a paper mill for printing citations next door. Good grief. I'd be willing to bet that Tomahawk(!) probably has more sense than the neighbor, the police and certainly more than the idiot who actually charged the mom with a felony.
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    Here is a WaPo article that looks at an Austin, TX, mother who was investigated for neglectwhen here 6-yr old lagged behind while walking the dog, a Port St. Lucie, FL, mom who was arrested for letting her 7-yr old walk alone to and from a park to play, an August, SC, mom who was arrested for letting her 9-yr old play alone at a park, a Maryland couple investigated by CPS and whose children were detained for 5 hours for walking home from a park alone, and a Florida mom arrested for letting her son go to the park alone with a cell phone.

    In Maine, a child was I picked up by police (You Tube a-xbZv_Nj5) when the 7-yr old was playing at a park within eyesight of her house, was told to check in once an hour, and other parents are usually there taking turns watching all the kids.

    In British Columbia, a Supreme Court judge upheld that a child under 10 cannot be left at home alone.

    Even if a happy medium can be found, it seems as if the law wants to enforce helicopter parenting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    Here is a WaPo article that looks at an Austin, TX, mother who was investigated for neglectwhen here 6-yr old lagged behind while walking the dog, a Port St. Lucie, FL, mom who was arrested for letting her 7-yr old walk alone to and from a park to play, an August, SC, mom who was arrested for letting her 9-yr old play alone at a park, a Maryland couple investigated by CPS and whose children were detained for 5 hours for walking home from a park alone, and a Florida mom arrested for letting her son go to the park alone with a cell phone.

    In Maine, a child was I picked up by police (You Tube a-xbZv_Nj5) when the 7-yr old was playing at a park within eyesight of her house, was told to check in once an hour, and other parents are usually there taking turns watching all the kids.

    In British Columbia, a Supreme Court judge upheld that a child under 10 cannot be left at home alone.

    Even if a happy medium can be found, it seems as if the law wants to enforce helicopter parenting.

    I think the law wants to come down on absentee parents. As it should. Typically a police officer has enough judgement to appreciate the difference between "I walked across the street to talk to a neighbour and left my 8 year old home alone" and "I flew to Vegas for the weekened and left my 8 year old home alone"

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    I think the law wants to come down on absentee parents. As it should. Typically a police officer has enough judgement to appreciate the difference between "I walked across the street to talk to a neighbour and left my 8 year old home alone" and "I flew to Vegas for the weekened and left my 8 year old home alone"
    I agree with you, but there are lots of cases, some here, where people didn't use common sense. Even in the BC story, the child was alone for 2 hours after school; the 4-yr old was in day care. It's possible that the 8-yr old was raised well enough and is smart enough to be home alone for 2 hours. The only evidence in the case is the opinion of the social worker.

    I think if your child can bike to school and be supervised by other adults, your child can probably walk to a park within sight of your home on a Saturday and be supervised by known, collective adults without your child being taken away or being arrested.

    Like you said, judgement. Unfortunately, sometimes there isn't any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    I agree with you, but there are lots of cases, some here, where people didn't use common sense. Even in the BC story, the child was alone for 2 hours after school; the 4-yr old was in day care. It's possible that the 8-yr old was raised well enough and is smart enough to be home alone for 2 hours. The only evidence in the case is the opinion of the social worker.

    I think if your child can bike to school and be supervised by other adults, your child can probably walk to a park within sight of your home on a Saturday and be supervised by known, collective adults without your child being taken away or being arrested.

    Like you said, judgement. Unfortunately, sometimes there isn't any.
    This is getting out of hand. I rode my bike to school about a mile and a half each way when I was in third grade and no one batted an eye. Plenty of other kids did too.

    I used to play in the front yard with my friend who lived next door when I was 5 or 6 and neither of our parents were outside watching us. My mom was in the house and I'm assuming his was too and if we needed anything, we simply went inside.

    Around 8 or 9 my mom started giving me the option of staying home or going with her to the grocery store. We're not talking about 4 or 5 hours, but she would be gone for an hour or an hour and a half sometimes.

    By the time I was 12 I was getting myself ready and off to school because my parents got divorced and my dad left for work at 5 in the morning. Oh, and he usually didn't get home until 5:30 or 6 so I had a good 2 and a half to three hours by myself in the afternoon.

    So by these standards I guess my parents should have been arrested and I should have been raised in a foster home.

    It pisses me off as a parent of a 4 and 2 year old that I now have to worry about some asshole calling the authorities on me if I choose to raise my kids to be independent and responsible for themselves. I'm not talking about now of course, but in a couple years I fully expect that my 4 year old will begin to want some independence and responsibility for himself much like I had at that age.

    And then we wonder why young adults act like children and need "safe zones" on college campuses...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    I agree with you, but there are lots of cases, some here, where people didn't use common sense. Even in the BC story, the child was alone for 2 hours after school; the 4-yr old was in day care. It's possible that the 8-yr old was raised well enough and is smart enough to be home alone for 2 hours. The only evidence in the case is the opinion of the social worker.

    I think if your child can bike to school and be supervised by other adults, your child can probably walk to a park within sight of your home on a Saturday and be supervised by known, collective adults without your child being taken away or being arrested.

    Like you said, judgement. Unfortunately, sometimes there isn't any.
    you're completely right. I think that's the issue, it's not the law so much, the law is there to protect kids against horrendous parents and 99.9% of the time it works well. Sometimes cops lack in judgment and charge people who shouldn't be and I'd hope the courts would be able to catch those odd errors. Unfortunately they don't always do so. My street is usually littered with a buchn of 4-10 year olds. Usually there's a parent(s) around. Every so often there isn't. The cops shouldn't be alerted. Kids need to be outside alone sometimes.

    In the case of the 8 year old at home alone after school, if it's a one time deal i'd like to think there wouldn't be a charge but if this was planned for throughout the school year, well that's just bad parenting. I have an 8 year old. He's a pretty mature 8 year old. If I told my wife that I wanted him to go home alone every day after school and watch himself until we got home she'd shut me down before the words came out of my mouth.

 

 

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