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    HARTFORD, Conn. (WTNH) A potential new tax to help pay for Governor Malloys massive transportation plans has started a firestorm of activity on the internet. A special committee he appointed to find a way to pay for the improvements is looking at a new tax on the number of miles you drive in a year.

    The Governors Transportation Finance Panel has not yet decided what its going to recommend to pay for the Governors big plans, but theyre looking to other states to see what new funding plans could work. In a test program in Oregon, volunteer drivers are paying a tax on the number of miles they drive as measured by GPS, and they get credit against the state gas tax.

    I think its something we want to look at. Its, you know, the technology is still being piloted and developed and studied, but it could be very efficient, said Cameron Staples, the chairman of the panel.

    For raising money, the beauty of a mileage tax as opposed to tolls is that it would spread the cost across all drivers, not just those who chose a particular highway. Even with this explanation, people we spoke with are overwhelmingly opposed to the idea.

    I have a problem with it because I think that were already taxed enough in this state, said Andrea Fagan of Meriden.

    I dont like it, said Jay Johnson of Ellington. Its just another administrative burden that theyre going to have to, you know, deal with.

    I would say thats a little excessive. We already have a bunch of taxes in the state of Connecticut, said Rachel Agruso of South Windsor.

    Reaction here on WTNH.com was bit more blunt, but also contained some important points.

    So the blue collar workers who have to live far away from the white collar towns they work at could be taxed extra, simply because they cannot afford to live closer to their jobs? Millie wrote.

    So glad my car is registered out of state, wrote Pete. I read a story on these types of mileage taxes and they dont apply to out of state vehicles.

    Up the gas tax, Kev posted. Its the exact same thing as a mileage tax without the cost and complexity.

    The Governors office steered clear of discussing the mileage tax Thursday, but the chairman of his special panel says they have no choice given how much money the transportation projects will cost.

    If you look at the sheer magnitude of the projected costs of $100 billion, theres no question you need a whole range of revenue options on the table. No one of them is going to solve this problem, said Staples.

    The panel has to move pretty quickly. They are expected to make their decision on whats the best way to pay for the Connecticut transportation rebuild by October, then the Governor will have to sell it to the public and to state lawmakers.
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    why create a new bureacracy needed to collect a mileage tax when just adding to the gas tax achieves the same objective?

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    why create a new bureaucracy needed to collect a mileage tax when just adding to the gas tax achieves the same objective?
    Yeah, because $.67.7 cents a gallon isn't enough. I've got an idea. Quite spending money on useless pet projects and entitlements. This governor is doing his best to drive out small business and the middle class by giving large corporations 100's of millions of dollars in tax breaks to supposedly keep them in CT and at the same time creating a bus line to go from the capital city to some of the suburbs at a cost of $570 million dollars for 10 miles of road way for commuter buses only. Not to mention the yearly maintenance of this roadway and all the new and old buses. I work in one of the cities that this bus line services. Prior to the bus line there were 2 buses that ran that at best were 1/4 full. Now there are 5 buses. There was never a need for that many buses especially in the city I work in. It's was a colossal waste of money. Oh yeah, and then there was the largest tax increase in our states history in his first term at 2.6 BILLION dollars. We also have 2 large casinos that pay the state millions of dollars each month from slot machine revenue. It amazing how much money this state takes in and gives away in entitlements to those that I do not believe deserve it. He is breaking the backs of the middle class in this state and doesn't give a fuck about it. I really hope some dirt is found on this ass clown and he ends up in jail. It will happen eventually, it always seems to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sickman View Post
    Oh yeah, and then there was the largest tax increase in our states history in his first term at 2.6 BILLION dollars. We also have 2 large casinos that pay the state millions of dollars each month from slot machine revenue.
    PA did this too and promised to lower property taxes 15 years ago. I'm still waiting for the tax reduction.This casino money is going into some pockets. I have nothing against casinos and the employment it creates but all the states seem to lie about tax relief from gaming except states who already have no income tax to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sickman View Post
    Yeah, because $.67.7 cents a gallon isn't enough. I've got an idea. Quite spending money on useless pet projects and entitlements. This governor is doing his best to drive out small business and the middle class by giving large corporations 100's of millions of dollars in tax breaks to supposedly keep them in CT and at the same time creating a bus line to go from the capital city to some of the suburbs at a cost of $570 million dollars for 10 miles of road way for commuter buses only. Not to mention the yearly maintenance of this roadway and all the new and old buses. I work in one of the cities that this bus line services. Prior to the bus line there were 2 buses that ran that at best were 1/4 full. Now there are 5 buses. There was never a need for that many buses especially in the city I work in. It's was a colossal waste of money. Oh yeah, and then there was the largest tax increase in our states history in his first term at 2.6 BILLION dollars. We also have 2 large casinos that pay the state millions of dollars each month from slot machine revenue. It amazing how much money this state takes in and gives away in entitlements to those that I do not believe deserve it. He is breaking the backs of the middle class in this state and doesn't give a fuck about it. I really hope some dirt is found on this ass clown and he ends up in jail. It will happen eventually, it always seems to.
    I don't disagree with that. My point is that if you're going to try to pull more revenue from car use you can, rather easily, just add to the gas tax as opposed to creating a whole new costly bureaucracy to mirror how the gas tax would already bring in revenue. Makes no sense. You're adding a huge expense to the govt for no reason.

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    My understanding is that the advantage to a mileage gas tax via GPS is that, in place of a gas tax, the gas taxes are distributed to the places people drive.

    In other words, we live near the 15 freeway about 85 minutes from Disneyland, where we go about twice a month. My wife commutes 50 minutes each way five days a week. But we buy our gas in our hometown.

    By tracking where you drive, the other counties that we drive to regularly, Los Angeles and Orange, would get a piece of the tax pie, not just our county of residence. And that makes sense because we are putting wear and tear on roads in their counties that they are not being "compensated" for.

    Not that I am in favor of the government tracking my whereabouts for a tax. But I understand the reasoning behind it.

    This is simply a tax to pay for new projects. Just raise taxes if that is what you want to do (not that I agree with that either).

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    why create a new bureacracy needed to collect a mileage tax when just adding to the gas tax achieves the same objective?
    That nonsense is constantly the topic of suggestion here, and it's coming...and I think the current way, and cost of the tolls on certain structures has been applied to our region was part of the plan to create enough animosity between districts that people will ultimately just choose road pricing almost voluntarily...and if so, it's working!
    If some politician/bearaucrat, even 5 years ago had suggested road pricing, that would be the end of their political career.
    Now with the high price and low usage of new "Super Bridges" built to sustain the millions of migrants they claim will be flooding our area over the next decade, people in principle are actually driving further (actually wasting more gas/money) just to avoid paying sizeable tolls which they just cannot stomach giving to Translink...Our transportation authority which has one of the worst records of mismanagement, high corporate salaries, revolving CEO's, and just general wastefulness, yet always with their hand out for more!

    The governments don't want to just outright drop road pricing on the public, but the attitudes are changing.
    Most call in shows..I'd say right now, it's about 79 to 80 % of people who prefer it as an alternative now.

    I don't agree with it. I think a levy is probably better, because I just feel that road tolls are way to fluid, and open to cost creep simply because the marketing behind it equates the cost from .5 cents, to "just a few cents" a Km. or Mile, but as we know with all taxes, people in government who generally don't work blue collar, or low paying jobs, yet still need to drive like many of us....then what's 5 cents? Maybe 15 cents?....Hell....I mean, what's a quarter? Pocket change?

    My point is, it may never get that high, but even a few cents a Km. or mile can be very parasitic, and depending how far you need to go, could put a serious dent in your bottom line.

    Just one of our new bridges typically adds anywhere from 300 to 1200 dollars per month to those who use it daily, (obviously the higher figure is for courier/driving companies)
    and that's a serious chunk to pay just to maintain your job.

    Often the solution...Again from beaurocrats is often suggested that "you should just move closer to your work, or vice versa". Which is just so overly simplistic and narrow minded...but it's the world we live in.
    We all need to do our part, and if possible drive less. I get that, but it's not always the right thing to do to expect someone to add anywhere from two to four extra hours a day of travel time to "do their part, and ride transit".
    Most people do not have that luxury.

 

 

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