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    Did Van Halen peak with 5150???

    Hiya fellow linkers, I haven't post here in a millennia, but something that I read in a comment section on Facebook got me thinking for awhile now and I wanted to share my thoughts with you fellow die hard fans.
    Do you think Van Halen peak with 5150? as a cohesive band? as a group that was at their very best creatively? as Edward in his most innovated? or did the wave created by the massive success of 1984 and the uncertain future with then unknown Sammy Hagar carry that weight towards the very end in 1995.
    And I say the end of that band with Sammy in 1995, because I always thought that the "reunion" in 2004 and those songs recorded for The Best Of Both Worlds was Van Halen at their collective worst.
    I also believe that thank god for Wolfie (and I don't want to open that can of worms, but it was inevitable it would happen) to help Edward get clean up and sober up to give us ADKOT, to this day I say that album is brilliant. And to basically kickstart a very dormant Band. That at least is working and touring.
    I for one don't believe that they peak with 5150, I think that the material in OU812 was solid, but the production on that album was atrocious to say it mildly and that hurt it, F.U.C.K. for some reason was a great effort and an awesome album, but the writing was lacking in some songs, but I believe those years were the peak for them in the Sammy years. And with Balance, the writing's on the wall.

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    My first thought is they peaked with Fair Warning. But yeah, 5150 was probably the summation of what the band had to offer. Kind of like U2 with first, The Joshua Tree and later with Achtung Baby. Two big peaks. Everything after that album was variations on what the band/Eddie had pioneered previously. All you have to do is look at Eddie's solo spot to see that he's been playing essentially the same bits for the last 30 years.

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    Nope.

    They hit new strides and high points after 5150 as well.
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    No, they peaked with "Fair Warning."

    5150 signified the destruction of my favorite band.

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    I don't think they peaked with 5150.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    No, they peaked with "Fair Warning."

    5150 signified the destruction of my favorite band.
    I felt the same about that time. Sammy kinda grew on me by OU812, but I after that not so much, after 2004 and his book I was done with Hagar.
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    Just to not confused, I was implying Popularity wise did the boys peak by 5150. I have always believe that Fair Warning is the undisputed best album Van Halen ever did in their lives. My top 5 goes:
    1 Fair warning
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    3 VH 2
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    Well if it's popularity wise, it was 1984. But 5150 probably was the popularity peak of the Sam era.

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    tough question. I guess creative peak vs commercial peak. Plus being 2 bands with 2 singers makes it even harder.

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    FW is one of the creative peaks for me.
    Diver Down I still love 100%, overall a dip bc all the covers, but they became more popular commercially.
    1984 hard to deny the commercial peak with the tour, videos and album sales.
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    5150. it was still on the upswing ...or at least plateau. Creatively it brought some new elements, best selling for that era, and still very popular.
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    Looking at albums sales after 5150 each one started to sell less from there, but same time they kept bringing new creative elements to each album and staying huge throughout.
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    From a popularity point of view, 5150 was the peak, IMO. However a peak caused by 1984 and mainly Jump before it. 1984 opened VH up even more to alot of people who for some reason still hadn't cared for the band until then. 5150 went that same direction. What I remember from back then, the next biggest peak was when FUCK came out and Right Now was simply everywhere.

    Musically-wise, I think that they had various peaks (whatever peaks you are especially looking at) - expecially because of the friction in the band. First musical peak IMO was Fair Warning, the second Balance. Both for the same reasons (friction between members).

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    I think Van Halen was still leading the rock n' roll marathon before the break-up in 1996. I agree with Brett that every album was different. In many ways, none of the albums with Sammy were alike. I think this helped the Van Halen brand survive and thrive during the Grunge era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUNGLE DRUMMER View Post
    Well if it's popularity wise, it was 1984. But 5150 probably was the popularity peak of the Sam era.
    Yes, their peak, popularity-wise, as undoubtably 1984. 1984 was...
    Their biggest tour
    Their fastest selling album (and most-selling, roughly tied with their debut)
    Their peak MTV exposure
    Their peak in merch sales
    Their peak in magazines covers & VH books (10 books came out around 1984!)

    5150 era was HUGELY successful, but they would never match any of those peaks again. (Even though we read countless articles that say, "And the band went on to even greater success with Sammy." Has a nice ring to it, but no). But VH would do just fine, thank you, with Sammy...and still ruled.

    Their creative peak is a matter of opinion.


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    Cohesive peak?

    Never happened with Dave in the group, but holy hell did their best creativity happen then. Fair Warning is the top of creativity peak imho. Eddie was about to bolt altogether, but the music on that album is so incredibly tasty. Whatever cohesiveness between them that did not take place, sure as hell showed up in the creativity.

    Commercial peak?

    No brainer. 1984

    Curiosity Peak?

    5150. A shit load of albums sold based on the "I wonder how this Sammy thing sounds". Great album, but it was a definite move away from the "dirt and grit" Van Halen, to the pop side of the late 80's early 90's.

    Sammy Peak?

    For me it's F.U.C.K. Great stuff on that album, and Sammy's fingerprints are all over it.

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