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    Trump fires Tillerson immediately after he criticizes Russia. Now he and Trump have never been on the same page but from a sheer optics viewpoint this is very bad he calls you moron, no action, substantive policy disagreements, no action, criticizes Russia and that motherfucker is gone in hours.

    It makes sense to have a more unified team but Trump completely mismanaged optics and client perception is your reality. Regardless of merit, the execution of this was horrendously bad management on his part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy Hill View Post
    I know several people who work for major construction companies and many small business men and women who own HVAC companies, plumbing and electrical, home improvement, roofing etc.

    and they all say the same thing....young people are just not entering into the trades

    They used to get people out of high school who had taken vocational classes and went into union apprenticeships after.

    they are all operating short handed and having trouble hiring ANYONE and it is not because the crack down on illegal immigration

    those jobs have been there for the taking for anyone who wants to prepare themselves for the job.

    but they have to know SOMETHING about carpentry or HVAC or plumbing or electrical cause these companies can't just hire them on and teach everything. The days when you would get hired in as the guy who cleaned up the work site or carried stuff around are over. They want skills.


    This has much to do with our present educational system than with immigration.

    I looked up some statistics on some high school vocational programs. The completion (graduation) rate in those programs ranged from 44% which was the latest statistic available to a high of 54%. The number of students who at graduation received any sort of certification in their field...like 25-20% and apprenticeships in consecutive years 0%, 7%, 4%

    so there''s your problem. illegal immigrants are not taking jobs away from workers, they are filling gaps created by an untrained and unskilled American workforce


    ask Betsy DeVos what she is doing about that.

    I've been involved in the construction business for nearly 40 years, on both the government and private side.

    Laborers, rough carpenters, roofers, concrete workers are where you'll see the preponderance of illegals. Tough, relatively low-paying, mostly unskilled work.

    Skilled trades are something else. The lack of vocational training in high schools is a problem, and has been for a number of years. Of course, I'm sure the Obama administration focused like a laser on the situation. Maybe Betsy isn't up to speed on it. Why don't you send her a quick note?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    The sad thing is that there are plenty of people that would rather see us fail than give him credit for anything.
    Trump's aware of those folks. But Trump continues on, in spite of them. Good results, when they occur, will be their own beacons of success. Trump is making sausage, and it ain't pretty. Tough for those that want otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ValHallan View Post
    I've been involved in the construction business for nearly 40 years, on both the government and private side.

    Laborers, rough carpenters, roofers, concrete workers are where you'll see the preponderance of illegals. Tough, relatively low-paying, mostly unskilled work.

    Skilled trades are something else. The lack of vocational training in high schools is a problem, and has been for a number of years. Of course, I'm sure the Obama administration focused like a laser on the situation. Maybe Betsy isn't up to speed on it. Why don't you send her a quick note?
    BUT BUT BUT OBAMA

    vocational training has been treated like a red headed step child for decades. Vocational programs in high schools closed or were consolidated so that kids had to leave their local schools and friends and travel to regional vocational schools which made a barrier to get these kids into programs.

    Schools guided everyone to go to college as part of the American Dream and lots of lower income kids were shut out of that path. and lots of people who went to college but never finished and took out lots of loans for everything from books to living expenses to their spring break trips are now paying for that


    I have long said that given what we need to teach kids for living in the world and what we need to teach them to MAKE a living in the world, we need to look at the number of days kids are in school (particularly in the primary grades where skills erode during long breaks) and we need to look at extending education so that a 2 year associates program is part of the American education system

    Betsy DeVos is not going to improve our public schools
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy Hill View Post
    I know several people who work for major construction companies and many small business men and women who own HVAC companies, plumbing and electrical, home improvement, roofing etc.

    and they all say the same thing....young people are just not entering into the trades

    They used to get people out of high school who had taken vocational classes and went into union apprenticeships after.

    they are all operating short handed and having trouble hiring ANYONE and it is not because the crack down on illegal immigration

    those jobs have been there for the taking for anyone who wants to prepare themselves for the job.

    but they have to know SOMETHING about carpentry or HVAC or plumbing or electrical cause these companies can't just hire them on and teach everything. The days when you would get hired in as the guy who cleaned up the work site or carried stuff around are over. They want skills.


    This has much to do with our present educational system than with immigration.

    I looked up some statistics on some high school vocational programs. The completion (graduation) rate in those programs ranged from 44% which was the latest statistic available to a high of 54%. The number of students who at graduation received any sort of certification in their field...like 25-20% and apprenticeships in consecutive years 0%, 7%, 4%

    so there''s your problem. illegal immigrants are not taking jobs away from workers, they are filling gaps created by an untrained and unskilled American workforce


    ask Betsy DeVos what she is doing about that.
    America, and with the Trump Admin.'s help, will stop this pathetic glorification of all "going to college if possible" as "everyone's 'first' choice" BULLSHIT. And will make getting trained for a skilled trade just as viable and as good an option as the "pie in the sky promise" of "College"!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rover View Post
    Trump's aware of those folks. But Trump continues on, in spite of them. Good results, when they occur, will be their own beacons of success. Trump is making sausage, and it ain't pretty. Tough for those that want otherwise.

    But true, the Trump haters can't help themselves. EVERYTHING is to be shit on. Trump gets that, and doesn't eat any of their fucking pathetic left wing shit, to their amazement!!

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    the president of the United States should not be so focused on how he can get attention for himself. it's pathological
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy Hill View Post
    the president of the United States should not be so focused on how he can get attention for himself. it's pathological
    The liberal social agenda as the end all to be all, over everything else IS PATHOLOGICAL !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rover View Post
    The liberal social agenda as the end all to be all, over everything else IS PATHOLOGICAL !!
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    Several of these things can be true simultaneously. Illegal immigrants are working unskilled construction jobs. Skilled jobs are lacking due to the lack of youth going into these trades. Public schools arenít helping.

    And both parties have sucked on it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy Hill View Post
    BUT BUT BUT OBAMA

    Betsy DeVos is not going to improve our public schools

    Went right over your head, didn't it?

    DeVos must be trying to do something right. She's the only Cabinet member that has to travel with an armed retinue of Federal Marshalls due to death threats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    Several of these things can be true simultaneously. Illegal immigrants are working unskilled construction jobs. Skilled jobs are lacking due to the lack of youth going into these trades. Public schools aren’t helping.

    And both parties have sucked on it.


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    add to that that many of our young people do not want the unskilled jobs...or as a friend of mine told me, they don't LAST at these unskilled jobs, and you have the issue in a nut shell.

    and our vocational programs suck as well.
    I had a family living in one of my rentals and he was telling me that he was in the automotive technology program at his school. He also was taking English and math and social studies and government and I asked him how he found time for it all. he told me it was no problem as the automotive technology class was really only one class one semester his junior year and one class for both semesters his senior year. And I asked him what kind of garage he would be working in when he graduated. I was disappointed to learn that this "technology program" would lead to a job working at a quik oil change business. To work in one of the dealership garages or any other garage he was going to have to take courses at the community college or go to a specialized motorcycle school or marine engine school( which is what he really wanted)

    yes, I find the concept that my tax dollars are spent on taking 12 years in educating someone for nothing more than a quik lube job to be underwhelming
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    Quote Originally Posted by ValHallan View Post
    Went right over your head, didn't it?

    DeVos must be trying to do something right. She's the only Cabinet member that has to travel with an armed retinue of Federal Marshalls due to death threats.
    no not over my head. and if that is what you consider "doing something right" God help us
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    another head rolls in the State Department as an under secretary Steve Goldstein, who confirmed that Tillerson wanted to stay and was not given reason for his firing, was himself fired after making that public statement

    he must have known that it was professional hari kari at the time he released the statement

    but boy Tillerson seemed just barely in control of his emotions during that public statement


    and it has been reported that McEntee was fired because he is under investigation by Homeland Security for some financial crimes

    with first Hope Hicks gone and now McEntee and several others who provided Trump with emotional support this has got to be getting difficult for Trump. especially with the porn star talking and his son in law under a microscope

    obviously not what Trump thought he was going to get out of this.
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    Yeah, I’m sure that porn star jazz is really keeping him up at night. That’s the left’s new “Russia”
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    The idea that colleges solves everything cannot be blamed on an administration. Current or past. Its part of the change in our society. Probably around the 80's it was forced on parents that in order to make a living, one needed to go to college. Maybe it was with the John Hughes type of films where preppies were everywhere and guys like Judd Nelson were the bad guys who had no future? I don't know but society went along with it and then it continued in the 90's

    Just like helicopter parenting is now en vogue. Used to not be that way but can't really put the blame on a president. Everybody just gets caught up in it and now going to college is what is expected. Just like MBA's are the new high school diplomas.

    News flash. Not everybody can actually graduate from college. We don't have enough jobs out there for educated people. You can only have X amount of people with jobs that require degrees out there. Even if education was free and everybody had an undergraduate degree, you still need that person to pour concrete. It shouldn't be shameful or scorned that one is in skilled labor. Also many technical jobs don't require any college education. I have worked in IT for 20 plus years and a lot of people who are running your networks, security, etc do not have degrees. Of course some do but if you know your shit, you get recognized. You move up. You get put on projects. You take on additional responsibility > You manage.

    I think I have worked for one person with a degree in my 20 plus years. The one who had the degree was the least effective manager and had no idea how to work with the gear.

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