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    Legendary CREAM Drummer GINGER BAKER: 'I Loathe And Detest Heavy Metal'

    June 13, 2015



    Legendary rock and roll drummer Ginger Baker, whose resume includes stints with CREAM, BLIND FAITH and PUBLIC IMAGE LTD, has slammed heavy metal as "an abortion," explaining that he finds "people that dress up in spandex trousers with all the extraordinary makeup incredibly repulsive."

    Baker, who gained a reputation as the most uncontrollable musician on the scene, was the subject of a 2013 documentary, "Beware Of Mr. Baker", which painted the title character as a chain-smoking, profanity-spewing, mean-spirited, entitled, grouchy, vile and self-destructive man with otherworldly talent and tragic flaws.

    Asked in a brand new interview with Jim Clash of Forbes.com what his take is on heavy metal, Baker responded: "These people that dress up in spandex trousers with all the extraordinary makeup — I find it incredibly repulsive, always have.

    "I've seen where CREAM is sort of held responsible for the birth of heavy metal. Well, I would definitely go for aborting. [Laughs] I loathe and detest heavy metal. I think it is an abortion.

    "A lot of these guys come up and say, 'Man, you were my influence, the way you thrashed the drums.' They don't seem to understand I was thrashing in order to hear what I was playing. It was anger, not enjoyment — and painful. I suffered on stage because of that [high amplifier] volume crap. I didn't like it then, and like it even less now.

    "That whole Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame thing — at least half the people in there don't have a place in any kind of hall of fame anywhere, in my opinion."

    Baker also offered his colorful take on LED ZEPPELIN's late drummer John Bonham, saying: "Years ago, John said, 'There are two drummers in rock and roll, Ginger Baker and me.' There's no way John was anywhere near what I am. He wasn't a musician."

    He continued: "A lot of people don't realize I studied. I can write music. I used to write big band parts in 1960, '61. I felt that if I was a drummer, I needed to learn to read drum music. I was so good at sight reading, a guy in one of the big bands told me to get two books. I studied them at the same time. One was about the rules of basic harmony, the other how to break them all. [Laughs]"

    According to Rolling Stone, Baker "repeatedly sabotaged his success, reputation and personal life with a hair-trigger temper, poor financial choices and a preference for drugs and exile over attachment and responsibility," the consequences of which "dog him to this day."

    In a Rolling Stone interview, BLACK SABBATH guitarist Tony Iommi revealed that, when Bill Ward exited the band in 2012, producer Rick Rubin thought Baker would be a good replacement.

    Iommi told the magazine: "I thought, 'Bloody hell?' I just couldn't see that." SABBATH ended up hiring RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE drummer Brad Wilk to play on their comeback album, 2013's "13".



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    Just another "get off my lawn" has been.

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    He's always been a total dick. Not all that surprising. Now he's just a miserable old fart.
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    You lose all credibility when you say "John Bonham wasn't a musician".

    I mean, one HAS to be able to sight read and write, to be considered a musician?

    As for Metal...Nicko Mcbrain wore spandex and would've out drummed Baker in his(Baker's) prime.

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    He played loud because he was angry the amps were loud? Is he fucking serious with that idiotic comment?

    There's a shitload of better drummers than Ginger Baker starting with Al. I'm quite sure he qualifies as a "real" musician since he's a classically trained pianist.

    What a pompous ass.

    And yes Nicko McBrain is an amazing drummer.
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    I liked Cream but when the move to metal started Deep Purple,Sabbath, etc I was hooked for life. Now what they call metal now yeah that's shit. Ginger always had issues Cream was so short lived now you know why.
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    Although he is a maniacal ass, I'm not about to diminish his abilities. Baker is a fuckin' monster musician. Here are two clips from the must see"Beware Of Mr. Baker". Clapton also takes a stab at Bonham and Moony.




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    "My beef is people thinking Bon Jovi is good cuz they sold lots of records to housewives." -tango

    "But being number one doesn’t really mean jack fuck all. We sold twice as many records as other records that year (1984) that landed in the Number One position." ~Eddie Van Halen

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    Love Cream, love Baker's drumming, but the guy is a total wanker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    He played loud because he was angry the amps were loud? Is he fucking serious with that idiotic comment?

    There's a shitload of better drummers than Ginger Baker starting with Al. I'm quite sure he qualifies as a "real" musician since he's a classically trained pianist.

    What a pompous ass.

    And yes Nicko McBrain is an amazing drummer.
    Yeah, if you're so angry about playing with loud amps then go play some jazz or something else that doesn't have those "loud amps" Mr. Musician.

    I'm right there with you - what a dumb fucking comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    Although he is a maniacal ass, I'm not about to diminish his abilities. Baker is a fuckin' monster musician. Here are two clips from the must see"Beware Of Mr. Baker". Clapton also takes a stab at Bonham and Moony.




    It's always the same with these guys. A "new" guy comes along and they are intimidated by them or whatever so they have to bash them.

    There were plenty of established guitarists who had nothing nice to say about Eddie Van Halen in 1978.
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    Yeah, if you're so angry about playing with loud amps then go play some jazz or something else that doesn't have those "loud amps" Mr. Musician.

    I'm right there with you - what a dumb fucking comment.
    You probably know this, but he did just that. Jammed with some jazz legends and they accepted him as being worthy to be in their "club". You know how jazz cats are.
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    He didn't get into the RRHOF because of his Jazz playing.

    At any time, he could have quit that "volume crap".

    Fucking snob...

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    Baker is a monster musician.

    Call him a wanker, a cranky old man, what have you, but give the man his due.
    It's like calling Jimmy Page a "has been."

    The guy influenced a shit ton of our favorites, Alex included.
    He may be a prick, but he's still a legend.

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    I just happened to watch his documentary. He was and I guess still is terrible to his only son (a drummer). I think his son is a better drummer. He was too late. He was wanting to be a jazz great after it was dead. He is of Superior intellect musically than any of his peers and especially anyone younger, in his mind anyway. He said that Bonham couldn't swing........please. Bonham's influences were Buddy Rich, Joe Morello, Gene Krupa etc. I'm sure Bonham could have swung like crazy if he chose too, but he opened new doors his way, a new way contrary to jazz.

 

 

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