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    On May 29, bikers in Pheonix, Arizona, are holding a “Draw Muhammad” contest outside the mosque at the Islamic Community Center of Phoenix, which is where the two gunmen who opened fire in Garland, Texas, allegedly attended.

    Nadir Soofi and Elton Simpson drove from Phoenix to Garland and opened fire outside of the Curtis Culwell Center on May 3, while a Muhammad cartoon contest was being held. The two men were quickly killed by police working security at the event.

    In the weeks since that event, numerous media pundits have criticized Pamela Geller for organizing the Muhammad cartoon contest to begin with. At what she described as her freedom of speech and expression, pundits recoiled and said she was asking for it by allegedly antagonizing Muslims.

    For example, following the attack, The New York Times said Geller’s contest “was not really about free speech. It was an exercise in bigotry and hatred posing as a blow for freedom.” The paper tried to explain that those who see it otherwise are confusing “hate speech” with free speech. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/07/op...f=opinion&_r=1

    Enter former Marine Jon Ritzheimer, who is organizing Friday’s “Draw Muhammad” contest in Phoenix.

    According to Vocativ, Ritzheimer says his contest is an exercise in free speech and is being held, in part, to respond to the “liberals” who criticized those gathered in Texas with Geller instead of criticizing the two Islamic men who walked up to a cartoon contest and opened fire.

    He put it this way:

    This is not about race or any other side agenda that the Liberals are making it out to be. This is purely 100% a Freedom of Speech Rally. Stand Tall and show that we can PEACEFULLY protest our rights that are under attack. That is the sole cause for this Rally and Islam wants to silence us.

    Ritzheimer is also asking all attendees to exercise their Second Amendment rights and bring firearms in case the expression of a First Amendment right “comes under the much anticipated attack.”

    The group is meeting at Denny’s by the Islamic Community Center at 5 pm and plans to walk to the mosque itself at 6 and hold the contest right outside. The current president of the center is Usama Shami. He responded to Ritzheimer’s announcement by saying, “Everyone has a right to be a bigot. Everyone has a right to be racist.”


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    This is just meddling/taunting now, enough already. If some innocent person gets hurt because of this then it is 100% not worth it.
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    i don't like this stuff. Offending people just for kicks is something that is just stupid.

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    Obviously it's not an issue, due to where I live, but I don't think I'd wanna be anywhere near that place!

    Same as I wouldn't go swimming in Great White infested waters, covered in steak sauce... Just seems like a bad idea.
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    This seems like a better option:

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    i don't like this stuff. Offending people just for kicks is something that is just stupid.

    And beheading people and blowing shit up on account they don't dig your religion is ok? And THEY don't dig it. Cartoon the fuck out of it. Lock n' load and rock n' roll. Bring your shit to the party, and don't be a pussy. Out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by track 5 View Post
    And beheading people and blowing shit up on account they don't dig your religion is ok? And THEY don't dig it. Cartoon the fuck out of it. Lock n' load and rock n' roll. Bring your shit to the party, and don't be a pussy. Out.
    That's quite the straw man argument. Of course it's not ok to behead people. I get pissed when people do these cartoons just like I get pissed when I see people burning the American flag. I just don't think it's something that descent human beings do. You're trying to incite violence. It's just dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    That's quite the straw man argument. Of course it's not ok to behead people. I get pissed when people do these cartoons just like I get pissed when I see people burning the American flag. I just don't think it's something that descent human beings do. You're trying to incite violence. It's just dumb.
    Actually I agree with him. The peaceful people don't even go to shit like this because they know the likely hood of violence. It's about time we stopped treating these folks so gingerly.

    And if you burn the damn flag you should be deported to Qatar or damn Syria. Then tell us how bad our flag is

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuddman5150 View Post
    Actually I agree with him. The peaceful people don't even go to shit like this because they know the likely hood of violence. It's about time we stopped treating these folks so gingerly.

    And if you burn the damn flag you should be deported to Qatar or damn Syria. Then tell us how bad our flag is
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    My point is that moderate muslims look at the cartoons the way you look at flag burning. It pisses them off. Not to a point where they would want to kill the artists but it's a huge insult - the same way you'd look at a flag burning. So why would we want to piss off all these moderate people for the hell of it? "Draw Mohammed Day" is the equivlaent of "burn a US flag day". It's dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    Fudd,

    My point is that moderate muslims look at the cartoons the way you look at flag burning. It pisses them off. Not to a point where they would want to kill the artists but it's a huge insult - the same way you'd look at a flag burning. So why would we want to piss off all these moderate people for the hell of it? "Draw Mohammed Day" is the equivlaent of "burn a US flag day". It's dumb.
    It's no different than when a cartoonist draws a satire cartoon of a pope or Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VH122 View Post
    It's no different than when a cartoonist draws a satire cartoon of a pope or Jesus.
    It is and it isn't. And most Christians could do without insulting portrayals of them either. It's just an issue of decency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VH122 View Post
    It's no different than when a cartoonist draws a satire cartoon of a pope or Jesus.
    Well, it is - because they have a decree that says it's sacrilegious to depict the prophet, whereas (as far as I know) there is no such decree pertaining to the Pope or Jesus. Mike's right - it really is more akin to the US law that says it's an offence to desecrate the flag than anything else.

    Besides which, why do this? Just to upset and rile people? Just to cause even more trouble and vitriol where it's not necessary? It's worse than childish, because this is adults deliberately setting out to antagonise where it's not necessary...There is no need to prove a point that has already been made - repeatedly - that violence and murder is not an acceptable answer to being offended. We know this; moderate Muslims know this - so really, it's just a course of action deliberately designed to cause yet more discord when we don't NEED any more discord in this world!

    For goodness' sake, is it really too much to ask that we all just learn to be NICE to one another???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Van Halen View Post
    If there were a decree that it was sacrilegious to depict Jesus, would people not still do it?
    Of course they would. And Christians would be told by the same people to suck it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Van Halen View Post
    If there were a decree that it was sacrilegious to depict Jesus, would people not still do it?
    And those people would be assholes that we would criticize. This should be no different.

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